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    Quote Originally Posted by borntorum View Post
    I was engaging in a bit of lame sarcasm.

    Let's not let a good thing die...
    You get one more chance borntorum, otherwise you really will be lame.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeDroit View Post
    Why not? Someone else will pay for your love.
    What, in the name of all that's good and holy are you waffling on about now? You are most peculiar. Most. Are you sane, do you mind me asking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonster View Post
    How did they define the wings for their study?

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    I did that political compass thing and this is how I personally stand.
    Economic Left/Right: -3.38
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.92

    http://www.politicalcompass.org/prin...3.38&soc=-0.92

    Not sure what to make of it yet. Some of the questions are a bit too black & white but it seems to be a decent (or at least, interesting) indicator. This may not represent everyone involved with IPRI, just me. Here's the link if anyone else wants to see where they stand:

    The Political Compass - Test
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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonster View Post
    I'm just honest enough to admit I'm right-wing.

    Just goes to show what I always though was right, so called "liberals" are all deluded liars.
    Going by previous posts thats an understatement.. to the right of Genghis Khan be more apt

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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonster View Post
    I'm just honest enough to admit I'm right-wing.

    Just goes to show what I always though was right, so called "liberals" are all deluded liars.
    As someone who advocates social justice and fairness for all I could be considered a left of center liberal, or a liberal democrat at a push. It depends on your liberal perspective and what scale of the political spectrum you are at yourself, for example you say you are right-winged,

    so you agree with a free market?

    do you see a necessity for regulation?

    to what extent do you feel the market should thunder forward leaving poverty in its wake?

    do you believe democratic government should legislate the markets in order to prevent the spread of greed that we have witnessed in the past centuries?

    I have many questions because it is so hard to understand how someone (other than those suffering from the greed desease) can say they are right-winged in their ideologies when the system has shown itself to dispise anyone who holds values, other than money.

    I see the need for a free market, I understand the purpose of trade and labour but I cannot understand how you can hold on to an ideology that whips the soul of human beings but insuring that the avarage man/woman cannot provide for their family by gainful employment. They are reduced to living on the poverty line while watching (with a little imagination) the self-indulgent, nicley tanned, well rounded, gob-s**ts rolling around their beds on 50euro notes because of supporting the capitalist right-winged system. Have you people no social conscience. ?

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    I think the left right divide is too simplistic for accurately describing people.

    If many people are more right wing than they think then is not this article basically saying that most people are right wing?

    In the west over the past century the standards of living of all citizens has grown dramatically. The majority of the population have their own money and savings and often much more. With the majority now capital holders perhaps their priorities has shifted their political leanings to the right. Social mobility is high for anyone with a modicum of aptitude. It is quite easy for anybody to get educated and get a reasonably well-paid job and further promotion.

    The consequence of this has the consistent decline in the left parties. The more successful ones have been those that have gravitated to the right like the Labour Party in England and here. Or those that have found a new issue to exclusively dominate like the Green Parties.

    Only the extreme low class, bottom of the barrel, are still loyal to the far left and they are a shrinking demographic. For the most part they lack to will, discipline and resources to create any new parties.

    This only applies to the developed world as has been seen in Venezuela.
    Economic Left/Right: -0.50
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77

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    Absolutely right. Almost everything good about modern society was fought for and won by liberals - freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, the right to vote, the right to an education, an end to child labour, suffrage for women, accessible health care, freedom of private sexual choice, and an end to human chattel slavery.

    There are still some battles to be won, like equality of marriage for gay citizens, but the chief task of liberals today to to preserve and expand what has been won in the face of conservative and obscurantist attack.

    It is amazing that some would try to make "liberal" a term of abuse. I wear the name with pride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bayern View Post
    Going by previous posts thats an understatement.. to the right of Genghis Khan be more apt
    I would have expected you say Hitler or Franco. Was Genghis Khan right wing? I would have thought not given he lived in ancient times prior to such concepts as left or right.
    Economic Left/Right: -0.50
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77

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    Jasus, lefties on p.ie are a humourless bunch.
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