seven young Irish found sleeping rough under Kilburn railway bridge

[Oreo Livermore]

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so how many different people are you ?
or is it just the two of us here

Just one, now go away and do not misquote me again

[danger here]

Unemployment-benefit is double that of the UK

This is part of the problem that Ireland created for itself,in Germany full monthly social welfare is €381.

[Schuhart]

If you knew anything about it you would know it is not the builders who are been looked after but the bondbonders.

Its more a bit of both. If NAMA pays close to a market rate for loans, then NAMA as an entity needs only to collect whatever it paid for the loan. So if a loan was €100, and NAMA pay €40 then if NAMA get €41 out of the developer they can say 'profit'. But the developer can equally relax, safe in the knowledge that his personal guarantee has now effectively been turned into a non-recourse loan - giving him a gift of €59 in the example above.

Bondholders happy, as (independently of NAMA) the taxpayer recapitalises the banks that owe them money. Developers happy as their loans are transferred to an entity (NAMA) that has no particular incentive to pursue full repayment.

[sauntersplash]

How did this happen? It costs about twenty euros to get to ireland from London.

[Schuhart]

How did this happen? It costs about twenty euros to get to ireland from London.

Headline: "Irish Community Centre in London Invents Problem in Fit of Eighties Nostalgia".

I'm starting to have a bit more respect for the present young generation. Its obvious that when this crowd found Irish teenagers living rough in the eighties, the youngsters just compliantly took the offer of a fare home and a life on the dole in Strokestown. What can I say, the anthem for our generation was Judge from Wanderley Wagon singing the Safe Cross Code.

[sauntersplash]

Headline: "Irish Community Centre in London Invents Problem in Fit of Eighties Nostalgia".

I'm starting to have a bit more respect for the present young generation. Its obvious that when this crowd found Irish teenagers living rough in the eighties, the youngsters just compliantly took the offer of a fare home and a life on the dole in Strokestown. What can I say, the anthem for our generation was Judge from Wanderley Wagon singing the Safe Cross Code.

"Remember, one look for a safe place,
two dont hurry, stop and wait,
three look all around you..."

It's up there with "Pretty in Pink" as my favourite pop song of the decade.

Anyway, I'm sure these Limerick lads just spent their taxi fare on Jager-bombs and decided to kip where they were. If you were forced to beg in London, you would make enough money to get back to Limerick (with an extra bag) in about twentyfive minutes.

[Breadan O'Connor]

You are right..it's actually worse than the 80's.

In the 80's there were never more than 300,000 out of work.

That meant it was easier to find jobs for the unemployed.

Now there are 430,000 unemployed. That's an additional 130,000 we must find employment for and makes it harder for the unemployed since a lot more competition.

Every unemployed person also has to compete against thousands of immigrants for jobs. And remember most unemployed Irish people paid tens if not hundreds of thousands in tax to Ireland to fund the lifestyle of Brian Cowen and pals.

And now they have to compete against migrants most of whom didn't pay one cent in tax to Ireland.

Who'd be a patriot?

The 7 irish are right not to come home.

Ireland under FF is just a bananna republic and will always be.

It's worse even than you describe because in the 80s not many people had huge personal debt levels.

Now many young folk have huge mortgages and negative equity to weigh them down.

[beamish2010]

I doubt that there will be any large emigration to England and the States as there was
in the 1970's and 1980's.One reason is the that the traditional safety valves of these
countries are not what they were today compared to 20-25-30 yrs ago.The pickings are
a lot slimmer now than they were then.

[beamish2010]

I doubt that there will be any large emigration to England and the States as there was
in the 1970's and 1980's.One reason is the that the traditional safety valves of these
countries are not what they were today compared to 20-25-30 yrs ago.The pickings are
a lot slimmer now than they were then.

Another reason is the dole.The dole here is 196 euro a week,in England it's
only around 68-70 euro a week.A big difference.Even in the 1980's the streets of London were not paved with gold and I imagine the streets of
London today are not paved with gold.

The situation here in Ireland today is not very good at the moment and yes we do need a change of govt,but it's still a lot better than it was the 80's.

The area of Kilburn in NW London was Irish for many yrs and it was known as the 33rd county of Ireland,but in the last 20 yrs it has changed and it's now
predominately a Black Afro-Caribbean area like Brixton and Notting Hill.

[Oreo Livermore]

Bondholders happy, as (independently of NAMA) the taxpayer recapitalises the banks that owe them money. Developers happy as their loans are transferred to an entity (NAMA) that has no particular incentive to pursue full repayment.

The builders were happy the day they got the billion euro loan. Their elation long predates NAMA.