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You believe the PR????? Silly old you!Originally Posted by VoteFFno1
Dream on, I thank God for Obama every day.
He was the one that lost Ted Kennedy's seat. We could never have done it without him
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I do believe in PR, a concept lost on the RCC.
Btw, I am a member of the COI but half the family is catholic.
It is indeed hard for the strong to be just to the weak, but acting justly always has its rewards.
You forget a fundamental thing about the Church. It believes it is the true church and its head is the vicar of Christ. Therefore whatever the say is ipso facto the will of God and inspired by God. The believe that popes are chosen by the Holy Spirit. Cardinals somehow believe that even though they are well aware of the horsetrading that goes on for the papacy before and during conclaves - de facto campaign managers emerging, dinners at which cardinals meet to "discuss the future of the Church" meaning a hell of a lot of canvassing. For the conclaves in 1978, for example, one Italian cardinal went on a crash diet so that he would look the part on the balcony after re-elected. But irony of ironies, he didn't get elected, and the crash diet ultimately led to a fatal heart attack. Ironically, often the winner is the last one to know what has been going on. They often know nothing about the campaigning for them. Luciani (John Paul I) was dumbfounded when he was elected. He didn't realise that a "stop Benelli" campaign had been run to prevent a notoriously obnoxious insider winning. The South American cardinals and the North American cardinals agreed on a favoured candidate, but when their guy failed to make an impact they rallied behind Luciani, who has been canvassed for by various Italian cardinals. Luciani hadn't a clue about it. Benelli tried again in the October conclave and came very close to winning, but then a stop Benelli campaign led to people gathering around a young Polish cardinal, and the Italian cardinals were divided and none was thought strong enough to prevent Benelli.
So as far as Vatican is concerned, Benedict was elected by the will of God and the intervention of the Holy Spirit. Therefore to remove him would be to say that the Holy Spirit got it wrong. They have a long history of dressing up their own self-interest with "the will of God" and deciding that if they decide something, it must be because God backs them.
A couple of years ago the Irish state changed the length of notice required to be given for marrying. A prominent cleric went on the News at One to say that people should simply ignore the new law and go by the old notice required, the notice the Church approved of. He didn't give a tuppenny damn that all such marriages would be entirely illegal. He was doing 'God's will' and the law of the state didn't matter. He was on a 'mission from God' and that is superior. That is the sort of self-delusion that motivates Catholicism, and frankly all religions - the 'God is on our side' arrogance. That is also why they mishandled child abuse. They ignored state laws and all medical advice because they knew best as God was with them. It is why many still have such antagonism towards victims. If victims are attacking the Church then they are attacking God, and so are under the influence of the devil, was the attitude of many.
Last edited by TommyO'Brien; 14th March 2010 at 04:07 AM.
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"We"?
Where are you located exactly?
The lower half or the upper half?
(SORRY - it's very late. Agree completely with your actual pont!)
+100%, Tommy.
It has baffled me since I was a chap that the RCC can speak of its great philosophers while at the same time being completely and utterly bound into this particular form of solipsism.
And it should be a ****ing article of faith (yeah, irony appreciated) for all agents of the secular power, when dealing with representatives of such an organisation, that you can never trust a self-admitted solipsist!
Do you guys ever get bored slagging off the church? I am genuinely curious.
Dedham, Massachusetts. This may surprise but I was not a fan of Ted.
Predicted the shock on this site on Dec 31 and won a modest amount of money.
Thanks Barrack
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