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    Quote Originally Posted by toughbutfair View Post
    what a B.S opening post. Nothing mean spirited about it, we have over 400,000 unemployed and costing the state a fortune. They can do the jobs the immigrants do.

    It is pure economics so no need for such childish terms as "mean spirited" .
    And who will occupy ghost estates and pay rent to 300,000 landlords?
    Unfortunately, immigrants are tool to redistribute taxpyers money to greedy landlords and keep profits for business owners…

    Thanks to Fianna Fail for everything
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    UK prevents entry of EU nationals too

    On www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk> Latest News
    Title 'E-borders system helps identify drug smuggler at Gatwick Airport.'

    is another example of how naive Ireland is falling behind; and placing the Irish people at risk.
    'A convicted foreign national drug smuggler was stopped trying to enter the country after the UK Border Agency's hi-tech e-Borders monitoring system flagged his impending arrival on a Gatwick bound flight.
    The UK Border Agency refused entry to the 40 year old Lithuanian man [our fellow EU citizen, note] on arrival from Vilnius [two hours flying time away] because he was deported in April 2002 [ 8 years ago] having been convicted in 1998 [12 years ago] of attempting to smuggle cocaine into the UK.
    The e-borders system which electronically checks passenger data before they set foot on a plane, matched the passenger against watchlists which revealed his earlier conviction and deportation.'


    (In Ireland his criminal career could have been so different. With our Government's famous reluctance to deport ( 'Just 20 pc of non-EU prisoners deported' , The Independent, Thurs June 19 2008), this chap would probably have remained in old Erin, after paying his debt to society, and have become a valued Irish citizen after five years residence. What a catch?)

    The UK e-borders system (similar to that being used by Dubai to trace murder squads entering and leaving it's territory) exposes the provisions of the IRP bill as belonging in the dark ages; the bill is a document as relevant to running our country as the Book of the Dunn Cow. I suspect that realisation is why the Bill is becalmed.

    30% of Ireland's prison population are foreign nationals.
    ( In the jailhouse now - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie )
    So we have plenty of need of deportations, and detection of attempts to return. Will we get from our Government the protection we, the law abiding, deserve?
    Will we get responsible laws and an e-borders or equivalent?

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    Lump of labour fallacy

    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    I didn't hear it. But the govt are correct. Charity begins at home, and Irish people need those jobs. 500 million EU citizens are more than sufficient to address labour-shortages - and if anything, there are far fewer of those than their were. Ireland doesn't owe any non-EEA national a living. We were never a colonial-power. Those who choose to marry non-EEA citizens knew this could happen. 'Mean-spirited' my foot. We deported 400 last year compared to 64,000 from the UK, and unlike many EU states like the UK, France, Holland etc., we don't detain asylum-seekers. In the whollistic-sense, we have the most liberal system on the planet. Typical of the handwringing of the Dublin 4 Left-Liberals who hand down their propaganda to the Newstalk studios.
    Your argiment suffers from the lump of labour fallacy,the idea that the number of jobs is fixed. With skilled people,the number of jobs can expand thanks to the economic activity generated by the skills. Even with so called unskilled workers in short supply,as in unpopular occupations in agriculture and meat packing plants,this can be the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patslatt View Post
    Your argiment suffers from the lump of labour fallacy,the idea that the number of jobs is fixed. With skilled people,the number of jobs can expand thanks to the economic activity generated by the skills. Even with so called unskilled workers in short supply,as in unpopular occupations in agriculture and meat packing plants,this can be the case.
    That is basically a Capitalist argument.

    We should provide Irish Jobs for Irish Workers 1st and foremost.

    IRELAND FOR THE IRISH
    Europa Conventus Delenda Est

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    Quote Originally Posted by bormotello View Post
    As far as i remember there are 3 main reason for refusing applications
    1) incapability of applicants to live here without accessing of public funds via the social welfare system
    2) crime convictions in Ireland – even drink driving is enough
    3) incomplete documentation

    Sometimes clerks could also be responsible for losing documentation, but they improved dramatically over last two years

    Citizenship Applications: 7 Apr 2009: Written answers (KildareStreet.com)
    Many migrants who worked for years had to use social welfare since the recession and that is held against them,an example of bureaucratic mean-spiritedness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam View Post
    It's very easy for any bona fide company to get a visa\green card for a non eea employee, especially if the salary on offer is over 60k. Might take a little while longer than hiring an eea national, but its not a huge problem.

    So really, you are talking rubbish.
    Salaries over €60,000 apply to the top 10% of the workforce. This is an unrealistically high floor for skilled workers in short supply.

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    Gasterbeiters,disposable guest workers

    Quote Originally Posted by bananarepublic.ie View Post
    Is recession caused by Irish bankers or NON-EU immigrants? give me fmking stright answer for this, i dont have time go through all the paragraph useless text.

    Do you f..king know who is the richest person in Ireland from latest Forbes list? If you know that you will filling more poison in use less post and blogs.....? !!
    And for the rest people crying tougher laws?

    A genuine Citizenship here takes longer then any where in Westren world.

    A NON-EU person need lawfully resident can only apply after application avg. applicaiton processing time 3 years. A total 7.5 -8 yrs to become Citizen here.. Is that not tough enough.

    It cost 950 euro's which costliest in westren world.Is that not tough enough.

    During this period the person shouldn't be student. Is that not tough enough?

    A NON-EU person need renew his/her workpermit every two years showng current pay slip+letter from employer. If you dont have bye bye. Is that not tough enough?

    A NON-EU spouses can't work despite they well qualified until they work permit.

    Most of these idiots or aryan race blvrs listen some idiotic talk from taxi driver and come here blaber about it. cheap talk.
    Gasterbeiters,disposable guest workers-that is the real purpose of gombeen Irish immigration policy. German policy,known as gasterbeiters,was based on a semi-fascist "blood and soil" concept of German nationality. Ours is based on narrow,parochial,mean-spirited selfishness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patslatt View Post
    Your argiment suffers from the lump of labour fallacy,the idea that the number of jobs is fixed. With skilled people,the number of jobs can expand thanks to the economic activity generated by the skills. Even with so called unskilled workers in short supply,as in unpopular occupations in agriculture and meat packing plants,this can be the case.
    Is that why the economy is contracting and the economy has contracted by 10%? The mass-immigration - for which I blame the politicians and supportive would-be 'opinion-formers' in the intellectual class - helped overheat the housing-market with excessive demand for housing - in turn largely contributing (together with the ECB interest rates) to the housing-crash. The "let them all in" agenda has been thoroughly debunked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    Is that why the economy is contracting and we are back to 2007 levels? The mass-immigration - for which I blame the politicians and supportive would-be 'opinion-formers' in the intellectual class - helped overheat the housing-market with excessive demand for housing - in turn largely contributing (together with the ECB interest rates) to the housing-crash. The "let them all in" agenda has been thoroughly debunked.
    2007 levels? More like 2000 levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainwillard View Post
    2007 levels? More like 2000 levels.
    Not strictly-speaking true (govt revenues are different from the size of the economy). But the underlying point is that we are on course to return to 2004 levels in terms of GDP size, which makes all that immigration pointless and constituting a cost - rather than a benefit - in economic terms. That is not the fault of the immigrants. It is the clueless Dublin 4 commentators in the Left-Liberal intelligensia and political-elites who are to blame.

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