Gombeen immigration policy mean-spirited to non-EU migrants

[blarney]

Just no body knows how the INIS works here? Show me one hospital and nursing home across Ireland where is no nurse or health care staff from non-eu immigrants??

How many aryan race blvrs/nazi scum here know that every NON-EU immigrant here has take finger prints when they go for renewals just like any criminal despite they dont any crime they are coming here to work?? So apparently working is officially crime according Justice Ministry??!!! bravo Nazi scum, what next tatoo's and symbols on their customs??

In fairness, you cannot even enter the US or the UK (as non EEA) without giving fingerprints. Nothing wrong with keeping tabs from a security point of view.

[bormotello]

A genuine Citizenship here takes longer then any where in Westren world.

A NON-EU person need lawfully resident can only apply after application avg. applicaiton processing time 3 years. A total 7.5 -8 yrs to become Citizen here.. Is that not tough enough.

Only in UK it takes less (5.5 years), because their civil service is working faster, but disscussion about efficiency of public services is for different topic. Other EU countries require 8 years of residence

It cost 950 euro's which costliest in westren world.Is that not tough enough.

It had been increased only two years ago. Rip-off Ireland
But it reduced backlog by 6 months at least. Don't forget that number of immigrants increased by 10 times during last 10 years and goverment had to invest a lot to be able to deal with such big number of applicants

1999 739
2000 1004
2001 1431
2002 3574
2003 3580
2004 4074
2005 4527
2006 6813
2007 7616
2008 10885

Citizenship Applications: 7 Apr 2009: Written answers (KildareStreet.com)

During this period the person shouldn't be student. Is that not tough enough?

Do you mean that Ireland should allow to buy citizenship? Otherwise anybody can buy English courses for 5 years, become citizen and then stay on welfare benefits for rest of his life
Last time selling of Irish passport finished badly

A NON-EU person need renew his/her workpermit every two years showng current pay slip+letter from employer. If you dont have bye bye. Is that not tough enough?

It was not always like that, it was introduced only in 2008

A NON-EU spouses can't work despite they well qualified until they work permit.

Is it slave ships bringing immigrants here? Immigrants knew where they were going. In UK spouses can work, but it always was more difficult to get work permit for UK.

[blanket]

Another immigration thread.

I'm strongly in favour of immigration, it brings many, many benefits to our insular nation.

What I have a problem with is the management of immigration, the fact that it disproportionately affects living standards of the disadvantaged in society and has been used as a tool to drive down wages and conditions here through lack of enforcement of labour laws.

An anecdotal example : It was proposed approx 10 years ago that an empty building beside Nutley Lane (a stone's throw from Montrose) be put to use to house asylum seekers. Before the suggestion ever got off the ground resident's associations had whip-arounds (large sums involved) and high powered legal representation was engaged. The proposal quickly died.

Other less affluent areas without access to the same political and legal firepower were unable to prevent asylum seeker centres (with the attendant natural social problems) being located in their localities.

It's very easy to be pro-immigration when you're unlikely to be affected by it.

[Catalpa]

A local guy is married to an Indian girl and they have 2 kids. Her mother has been applying for a two week visa to come and see them for the last 5 years and has been refused constantly. No reason given. They have been to see lawyers, councilors and TDs and no luck. Both work from home for American multinationals. Both are very well paid. They are seriously considering immigrating to Canada. If you are going to build a "smart" economy you need smart well educated people. Any of them that marry non-EU citizens (and many do as they tend to travel) will be put off staying here to the detriment of this country.

It should not be that difficult to discern between hard working educated non_EU citizens determined to make a better life and economic migrants here on the make.

Yeah but you know as well as we do she won't go home at the end of those 2 weeks.

Chain migration is an internationally recognised part of Mass immigration and results in too many 'con jobs' being fostered on us IMO.

Link:

http://www.answers.com/topic/chain-migration

[yayo]

How many aryan race blvrs/nazi scum here know that every NON-EU immigrant here has take finger prints when they go for renewals just like any criminal despite they dont any crime they are coming here to work?? So apparently working is officially crime according Justice Ministry??!!! bravo Nazi scum, what next tatoo's and symbols on their customs??

Come on, this is nonsense. To visit the USA on holidays, you get finger printed at customs. Are they "aryan race blvrs/nazi scum" too?

[Catalpa]

And the award for the most mean-spirited post of the week goes to...



I'm not from Dublin 4. I don't do handwringing. I'm neither left nor right - I'm a pragmatist. So enough of the ******************************g boring repetitive clichés please.

A pragmatist?

- how is it 'pragmatic' to flood the Country with more uninvited immigrants when there are not enough jobs for Irish People?

[Catalpa]

+100

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[Catalpa]

Another immigration thread.

I'm strongly in favour of immigration, it brings many, many benefits to our insular nation.

What I have a problem with is the management of immigration, the fact that it disproportionately affects living standards of the disadvantaged in society and has been used as a tool to drive down wages and conditions here through lack of enforcement of labour laws.

An anecdotal example : It was proposed approx 10 years ago that an empty building beside Nutley Lane (a stone's throw from Montrose) be put to use to house asylum seekers. Before the suggestion ever got off the ground resident's associations had whip-arounds (large sums involved) and high powered legal representation was engaged. The proposal quickly died.

Other less affluent areas without access to the same political and legal firepower were unable to prevent asylum seeker centres (with the attendant natural social problems) being located in their localities.

It's very easy to be pro-immigration when you're unlikely to be affected by it.

Exactly!

[clonycavanman]

On UK Border Agency Visa Services Home Page one can find

'All UK visa applicants , save for those benefitting from a limited number of exemptions and exceptions , are required to provide biometric data (10-digit fingerscans and a digital photograph [taken by british personnel]) as part of the application process.
You will need to go to your nearest visa application centre in person to provide your biometrics. In those countries where there is no visa application centre, you will need to go to the British mission.
Your visa application will not be processed until you have provided the neccessary biometric information.'

[Also, supporting documents that should be included with the visa application are]

'* bank statements, payslips, or some other evidence to show that you can pay for your trip and that you have enough money to support yourself and your dependents without working or getting any help from public funds, and evidence that you intend to leave the UK at the end of your visit (for example, a leter from your employer)'

Comment: The onus is very much on the visa applicant to prove he is not a liability to Britain. To preserve the mutual trust implicit in the Common Travel Area, and to avoid getting all the punters, who want to avoid/fail these visa requirements, Ireland will have to modernise and follow suit.

[toughbutfair]

Just listening to Newstalk's panel discussion on migrants' applications for residence. Clearly,our immigration policy is gombeen mean-spirited as around half of migrants are denied permission to stay compared to about 9% in the UK and 3% in Canada. Often,these people have worked here for years and have children in school. The system for judging applications is opaque and the reasons given for denials are often trivial. Many migrants are well educated but that makes no difference in many cases.

Does this mean-spirited policy reflect the wishes of Irish people. If so,we're in bigger trouble as a society than many think.

what a B.S opening post. Nothing mean spirited about it, we have over 400,000 unemployed and costing the state a fortune. They can do the jobs the immigrants do.

It is pure economics so no need for such childish terms as "mean spirited" .