Gombeen immigration policy mean-spirited to non-EU migrants

[dotski_w_]

Those who choose to marry non-EEA citizens knew this could happen.

"Choose" to marry? Are you saying they should have fallen in love with someone else? Do you think it's possible to choose who you fall in love with? Or are you saying that they shouldn't be allowed marry and stay here (like gays aren't allowed be married here).

Have you ever been in a long-term relationship? If Yes, did you "choose" to fall in love with that person? If No, why on earth do you think you're opinions are likely to inform those of other, more rounded, individuals?

[FutureTaoiseach]

"Choose" to marry? Are you saying they should have fallen in love with someone else? Do you think it's possible to choose who you fall in love with? Or are you saying that they shouldn't be allowed marry and stay here (like gays aren't allowed be married here).

Have you ever been in a long-term relationship? If Yes, did you "choose" to fall in love with that person? If No, why on earth do you think you're opinions are likely to inform those of other, more rounded, individuals?

Marriage and love can be independent variables - as the Pakistani-Latvian conspiracy recently demonstrated.

[kerdasi amaq]

The "Dublin 4 set", is as much a mentality(bordering on anti-Irish racism); as a place. Ireland has a very limited capacity to absorb migrants: so their numbers need to be strictly controlled. Unfortunately, the people who control the Irish Government; regard the Irish People as expendable and it is of no concern to them if the Irish People do not survive as a recognisable people in future!

[Clanrickard]

. Anyway - of course they can visit their families in their home-countries.

Big of you FT.

I am just saying that the preservation of Irish jobs depends in part on restricting competition in the Irish labour-market.

Some jobs cannot be filled by the Irish labour market. If these jobs are not filled or if the capacity to fill them is not there the companies concerned will go elsewhere and the spin off jobs will too. We are not talking about uneducated manual labour labourers we are talking highly trained and highly educated people who add value to the Irish economy.

[Clanrickard]

In the whollistic-sense, we have the most liberal system on the planet.

FT that is the most stupid uninformed post on here for some time. Total and utter BS.

[FutureTaoiseach]

Big of you FT.



Some jobs cannot be filled by the Irish labour market. If these jobs are not filled or if the capacity to fill them is not there the companies concerned will go elsewhere and the spin off jobs will too. We are not talking about uneducated manual labour labourers we are talking highly trained and highly educated people who add value to the Irish economy.

Well there are 500 million in the EU. Virtually all our labour-needs can be filled from it.

[bormotello]

Just listening to Newstalk's panel discussion on migrants' applications for residence. Clearly,our immigration policy is gombeen mean-spirited as around half of migrants are denied permission to stay compared to about 9% in the UK and 3% in Canada. Often,these people have worked here for years and have children in school. The system for judging applications is opaque and the reasons given for denials are often trivial. Many migrants are well educated but that makes no difference in many cases.

Does this mean-spirited policy reflect the wishes of Irish people. If so,we're in bigger trouble as a society than many think.

As far as i remember there are 3 main reason for refusing applications
1) incapability of applicants to live here without accessing of public funds via the social welfare system
2) crime convictions in Ireland – even drink driving is enough
3) incomplete documentation

Sometimes clerks could also be responsible for losing documentation, but they improved dramatically over last two years

Citizenship Applications: 7 Apr 2009: Written answers (KildareStreet.com)

[evercloserunion]

The "Dublin 4 set", is as much a mentality(bordering on anti-Irish racism); as a place. Ireland has a very limited capacity to absorb migrants: so their numbers need to be strictly controlled. Unfortunately, the people who control the Irish Government; regard the Irish People as expendable and it is of no concern to them if the Irish People do not survive as a recognisable people in future!

What about people who don't share your opposition to immigration but who come from working class areas?

[Occam]

Some jobs cannot be filled by the Irish labour market. If these jobs are not filled or if the capacity to fill them is not there the companies concerned will go elsewhere and the spin off jobs will too. We are not talking about uneducated manual labour labourers we are talking highly trained and highly educated people who add value to the Irish economy.

It's very easy for any bona fide company to get a visa\green card for a non eea employee, especially if the salary on offer is over 60k. Might take a little while longer than hiring an eea national, but its not a huge problem.

So really, you are talking rubbish.

[yayo]

Just listening to Newstalk's panel discussion on migrants' applications for residence. Clearly,our immigration policy is gombeen mean-spirited as around half of migrants are denied permission to stay compared to about 9% in the UK and 3% in Canada. Often,these people have worked here for years and have children in school. The system for judging applications is opaque and the reasons given for denials are often trivial. Many migrants are well educated but that makes no difference in many cases.

Maybe the UK and Canada attract more suitable immigrants than Ireland?