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    I don't think he actually drove the snakes out though. Like the good little Catholic bishop he was, he probably just moved them around from parish to parish without telling any one...
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    I know i am being naive, but could someone spell out exactly what these listeners found offensive about the lucky clover in this context. Was it just that st Patrick is traditionally associated with shamrock, or is clover nefarious for some other reason?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yellowfish View Post
    I know i am being naive, but could someone spell out exactly what these listeners found offensive about the lucky clover in this context. Was it just that st Patrick is traditionally associated with shamrock, or is clover nefarious for some other reason?
    This is liveline we're talking about. It can quickly gather up a rabble for any issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aggressivesecularist View Post
    He used a four-leaf clover in his Patrick's Day ads for his shopping centre. When he was asked why he didn't use the shamrock he was silly enough to say he wanted to be inclusive. Then the poor fella was dragged to the court of Irish public opinion under the auspices of that well-known arm of the justice system known as Liveline.
    After this comment, I felt obliged to endure the whineline to see how badly the poor fella was treated. The presenter did seem to try and treat the question with a balance. The poor shopping centre guy fella was obliged to defend himself by explaining how good the festival preparations for his shopping centre were. The poor fella, quite rightly, was offered the last word, though the presenter seemed to feel the urine was being extracted a little when this turned into the suggestion that people come to the shopping centre and judge for themselves

    Anyway, my curiosity is piqued by your mentioning he wanted to be inclusive.
    Do you think that using a four rather than three leaf seamrog is being inclusive?
    If so, why would the four rather than three leaf symbol be considered more inclusive?
    It does sound like a strange idea to me.

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    what exactly was the ad for ?

    why does this religious person want to have a shop associate itself with something sacred, if its commercial issue then he should prefer he use a four leaf clover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cato View Post
    This is liveline we're talking about. It can quickly gather up a rabble for any issue.
    For any issue dear to Joe's heart, that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mic View Post
    After this comment, I felt obliged to endure the whineline to see how badly the poor fella was treated. The presenter did seem to try and treat the question with a balance. The poor shopping centre guy fella was obliged to defend himself by explaining how good the festival preparations for his shopping centre were. The poor fella, quite rightly, was offered the last word, though the presenter seemed to feel the urine was being extracted a little when this turned into the suggestion that people come to the shopping centre and judge for themselves

    Anyway, my curiosity is piqued by your mentioning he wanted to be inclusive.
    Do you think that using a four rather than three leaf seamrog is being inclusive?
    If so, why would the four rather than three leaf symbol be considered more inclusive?
    It does sound like a strange idea to me.
    I imagine that the three-leaf variety is in part a religious symbol, while the four-leafer isn't.

    If I'm pcking up that the guy did it on purpose for the publicity, well if you're right, it just shows how theLiveline format is vulnerable to manipulation. I don't think it was intentional, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aggressivesecularist View Post
    He used a four-leaf clover in his Patrick's Day ads for his shopping centre. When he was asked why he didn't use the shamrock he was silly enough to say he wanted to be inclusive. Then the poor fella was dragged to the court of Irish public opinion under the auspices of that well-known arm of the justice system known as Liveline.
    He wrote a letter back to some who complained and said that he didn't use the traditional shamrock as it had "connotations".

    I, and many other people in Dundalk, don't know what he means by this.

    Personally, I don't care if he used a four or five leaf clover in his ads.

    However, I would like him to explain how the traditional Irish shamrock can be seen as negative and non-inclusive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mic View Post
    The presenter did seem to try and treat the question with a balance.
    Did Duffy have the day off then?
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