I am pretty sure they have made giant strides to remove that element and make it more open that it was in the 90's.Originally Posted by willoughby
Anyway, the Irish support is not that much different what with the booing of players who play(ed) with Rangers that sometimes happens.
I would say that its time for a United Kingdom football team. Having four national teams from one country is ridiculous.
The IFA are quite within their rights to go to the CAS here. The N.I. is losing potential playrs and footballers from this country are losing their places to these "blow-ins".
A little lesson on geographic and political terms for dummies :
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Are the winning All-Ireland teams of Tyrone, Down, Derry and Armagh blow-ins?
They're not. They're quite clearly not. They have no case. If you have a passport you can play for the country. If your parents or grandparents are from a country, you can play there. There is no argument to get around those facts. Northern Ireland is not special.
Keith the Brits invented the sport and the 4 teams stem from the pre-international days of the 19th century. Can't see FIFA pushing a UK team.
Do you feel the same way about Rugby Union?
We need to radically change every system that has enabled the wholesale destruction of the Irish landscape, rural and urban. There is no time for incremental step by step measures. The systems have failed utterly and the only hope for a real recovery requires the rule book to be torn up completely.
A de-facto All Ireland soccer team now exists. The only way the IFA can undo it would be to get the FAI to re-instate the previous gentleman's agreement. But there is no particular reason for the FAI to do that.
The IFA won't like it, but this situation is likely to exist until partition is ended.
"I put down the welter of corruption in Irish politics to Burke's escape from retribution after that exposure in 1974. It gave everybody in the game a licence to steal."
- Joe MacAnthony
If he did not p*ss his career away, he might have had a small glimmer of a chance of playing for NI in a World Cup eg 1982 ( Roger Milla did it in 1990)
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how can remember the friendly with denmark under mcarthy's reign. the pa wrongly announced a danish sub for another player who played for rangers (he came on latter) any way, the chap who came on first, any time he kicked the ball he was booed as the fans thought he was a rangers man. surely if they were watching the game and read their match programme they would have clearly saw the pa was wrong. oh well the supporters got it right when the ex rangers man came on
didn't ryan giggs once play for the england at schoolboy level?
sad attitude to have really.one of previous posts made a good observation by asking if you share the same opinion with rugby union. i remember Ray Tracey, former Shamrock Rovers making a similar arguement, naturally thanking his lucky stars he ever got near International football. footballers are not entitled or guaranteed a place on any team, they have to earn it. any player from the 6 counties is entitled to play for the republic if they wished too. they are welcome, particularily if they are good or better than current crop. it is an extremely arrogant comment to make, they would have just a much or more entitlement to play for the republic as say john aldridge, tony cascarino, andy townsend, steve highway, mark laurenceson, or ray houghton had. you not aware that right up to1950's players in the south often played /switched between playing for both ifa and fai in the same year. if a player loses his place on a team, it tends to mean he is in all probability not good enough (normally his past record would save him for a few games)
despite that, i can see the frustration of the ifa as they spent time and energy in helping and building their youth players. but you cant expect a person under 21 to make such an important decision that may effecthis career in the long run, when they are at such an early age
why would there be a need for an united kingdom football team? why is it ridiculous? The Scottish FA have been around for almost as long as the english fa, thus many other national fa's. why should they give up their entitlement to be considered separately?
Possibly, but schoolboy level doesn't count. You have to be capped at first team international level to disqualify you from declaring for another country in the future. Wasn't there some English born Scottish guy who even put on the England shirt and was a substitute for England, but later decided he wanted to play for Scotland after all?didn't ryan giggs once play for the england at schoolboy level?
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didn't FIFA change the rules saying that all you needed to qualify to play for a country was citizenship in that country, after Qatar started handing out passports to Brazilians?They're not. They're quite clearly not. They have no case. If you have a passport you can play for the country. If your parents or grandparents are from a country, you can play there. There is no argument to get around those facts. Northern Ireland is not special.
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