The Tricolor must be affixed to every school

[Gordon Freeman]

That was the terminology used in the opening post.



It can mention what it likes. The 1916 proclamition has no relevence to me and is representative of a separate political lobby in Ireland.

I respect their opinion and their republican ideals but do not want my children forced to swear allegience to it in school.

In the United States, the children there swear allegiance to the Star-spangled banner. In the States, there was never any tolerance for those that harked after British rule nor diversity of opinion with regard to those matters. We could learn from them in that respect, at least.

The 1916 proclamation is not the foundation document of this state, Bunreacht na hÉireann of 1937 is.

I think that it would be entirely appropriate to fly the tricolour at every school and the constitution should be studied in secondary schools. I would prefer to see a copy of the UNDHR on display in every school.

Why should this foreign document conjured up by lefty academics be displayed in our schools?

[SevenStars]

I would like to see a copy of the Good Friday Agreement displayed in every school.

Why?

I mean it didnt last very long before being replaced by the "St Andrew's agreement" and now thats on the way out...

[SevenStars]

I am not a monarchist and am open to the possibility to a single state on the island if all traditions wish to work together.

However, the basis of that state will not be a document from 1916, it will be a negotiated agreement at a point in the future.

The 1916 proclamation is history and should be consigned to a library.

Like the Good Friday Agreement you mean?

If the basis of the future 32 county Republic is not the proclamation of the Republic declared in 1916 than we know something will be very wrong.

[YoungLiberal]

You're the kind of cúnt I would dearly like my children to stay away from. If the schools are deficient in teaching Republican values then I shall teach them. I'll warn them about people like you!

I know. You're dead right. Imagine, allowing them to be exposed to a different viewpoint. Scary.

Up the Republic! Up the 'Ra etc. etc.

[scratchnsniff]

You're the kind of cúnt I would dearly like my children to stay away from. If the schools are deficient in teaching Republican values then I shall teach them. I'll warn them about people like you!

No need for that. I have reported your post. A lot of us use a little bad language, but your just a rude troll out to shock. No context and that particular term is unnecessary

[mutley]

No need for that. I have reported your post. A lot of us use a little bad language, but your just a rude troll out to shock. No context and that particular term is unnecessary

Seems you spend most of your time on here reporting posts, why don't you just ask for a job as a mod, or grow a thick skin?

[Amach na Casca]

If, if, if. The biggest word in the language.

If if's and and's were pots and pans, rock and roll would be skiffle.

Wishful thinking. If you think that pictures on the wall or a flag, is going to have the effect you desire and assume, I think you are wildly wrong.

Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Its a good idea to have a reminder of the sacrifice of a very brave group of people who died in the hope their country would be free. As I said if more people had pride in their country instead of knocking it all the time then we would surely be in a better place.

I remember the plain-wooden-framed commemorative Proclamation, with vignettes of the signatories, that hung in our primary school, so let's say '73 to '81. I have the very vague feeling that it was produced in '66, and distributed widely in the schools. Anyone else remember ?

Point being - most of the people exposed to it over the years ended up being exactly the type of gob********************e to vote for the FF crooks. Some understood so little of 1916, they actually joined the gravy-train.

I hate Fianna Fail btw. I hate the way they have controlled the media and also how they have cynically manipulated people with nationalist leanings into voting for them. FF are very far removed from the ideals of the proclamation and more and more people know it.

Your only chance is to not just parade the damn thing, but to inculcate a meaningful debate about it's content and it's context. Give the kids the idea that the republic is a living thing, not that the proclamation is some kind of political rosary beads.

Agreed.

Pride in our country is a tricky one too. We never used to have the self-confidence to have a mature pride. The Tiger just made a lot off us proud in a very fatuous way, and now pride will be difficult becasue we have been shown to be puerile and feckless about handling money, anedretarded in our excercise of democracy.

Its very easy to get downbeat at the state of the nation, and about how our leaders, and ourselves collectively lets be honest made a real mess of things. We are a country whether we will admit it or not in the grip of a post colonial inferiority complex. Theres no doubt many got carried away with themselves during the 'Celtic tiger', and enjoyed that we were the envy of a lot of modern countries with our booming economy, instead of looking at Ireland as a back water as many did. The boom was unprecedented and unfortunately it was extremely badly handled. I would hope that we learn from this and mature and deal with the fundamentals better in the future. We are still a relatively young country and have some maturing to do.

All this slack-jawed reverence at pictures and flags and proclamations-as-holy-grails - it's all a load of unthinking childish bollox.

OP idea, et al = varieties of charlatanism.

We need direction as a nation. If we follow the noble ideals of the Proclamation we can't go wrong. Fianna Fail need to be shamed. We need to show them that a lot of their members and former leaders actions are in direct contradiction with the Proclamation. They have shamed the patriots of 1916 with their self serving deeds! If this message gets through to the masses then Fianna Fail will lose a lot of votes.

[Fraxinus_]

It's the very same that was presented to Gen. Thomas Francis Meagher, the Fenian and was borne by the people that fought for this country.

I would also add the 1919 Declaration of Independence.


Take you barbarism back to the desert.


The United States also had Loyalists in the few decades of its inception, mostly in New York State. You know what happened to them? They emigrated to New Brunswick. I don't care that the 1916 Proclamation of Independence doesn't 'represent' you. I don't care that your great-grandfathers fought for the British. I don't care about you at all.

The orange is unrepresentative. I think the four provinces flag would be more meaningful.

[Catalpa]

Originally Posted by White Horse
Two of my great-grandfathers were in WWI trenches in 1916.

The 1916 declaration does not represent me or my family, and I am as Irish as you Catalpa.

So were my Grandfathers (well one in the trenches the other in Supply & Transport)

- but I was born and raised here and this is my Identity.

[scratchnsniff]

Seems you spend most of your time on here reporting posts, why don't you just ask for a job as a mod, or grow a thick skin?

Well i think i have reported a total of 3 in my time here, but dont start letting facts get in your way at this stage.