l say abolish the Arts Council, the salaries of goverment appointed bureaucrats have created a severe disfunction under the 2003 act evinced in lack of debate on issues of import. The fact that opposition parties present no alternatives to this immobility suggest the Arts require a counter-cultural imperative.
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So you disagree with the tax break for Artists because it was tax payers money but you agree to giving tax payers money to the Writers' centreFianna Fáil didn't give anyone anything and is not taking away anything from anyone either.
The government did so in both cases, on behalf of the Irish taxpayer, mistakenly in my opinion.
The tax breaks policy was, and still is, a bad one. And so is the cut in funding for the Irish Writers' Centre.
The issue is not about either the generosity or the meanness of a political party. It's about policy. Bad policy in both cases, imo.
Agg all funding given by any Government is tax payers money .
as long as Bertie Ahern gets tax breaks and professorships there is no art in lreland Eurocitizan, theres a coeterie of illiterates hugging autographed coffee-table books ligging it. How FF neutralised intellectualism >> Arts Act 2003, Section 11
What a load of self serving rubbish...........when you need state money to develop the relationship between writers and other writers you know you have gone to far.
Writers are more than capable of developing it themselves.........seems some administrators who were on the pigs back are sore about losing the sinecure.
hmm has Tobin commented on blasphemy, has Bertie Ahern ? l think l'll stick to the thesis that FF cultivate mediocrity in the Arts. l also think that theres more worth in abolishing the severely disfunctional council than allow it continue under the disney-enthralled idiocy of FF republicanism : Arts Act 2003, Section 11
Originally Posted by dot
Maybe Bono will help out ! there are many Artists and writers who need help and many who don't but do recieve or have in the past ,so maybe it's time for a little payback and give the taxpayers a break .
In my opinion enough has been done to help promote and protect Artists and writers .
Anyone who thinks not should set up a monthly direct debit to the Writers hall and if there are enough people they will not need more taxpayers money .
I would prefer the taxpayers money going into miniority sports or somthing that is not getting funding at present .
The artists and writers have tax breaks so come on in all fairness in the present climate it is a bit greedy to ask for more and more .
bono is some genus of ambassador for a hyper-globalised intellectual falsity that pretends lrishness eurocitizan, l am sure his aggregation of dollars enhances his comfort zone. Come back to me when you read the legislation. imo its either abolish the disfunctional and mediocre arts council or repeal the 2003 Act. FF have made a falsity, probably to get US funding with their Darby O Gill projection of lreland and it is false utterly.
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There is nothing so anti-intellectual as thinking yours is the one, the only and the true way.
At the same time it seems to sit well with the projected personality of some that this would be the way of their thinking.
Some degree of tolerance and even a faint ability to see the other side of an argument, even to acknowledge the possible existence of another side to an argument is a good thing, but is not given to all, so we should take that into account when reading opinions expressed in entrenched terms.
no pasaran!
there is nothing quite as weird as a nation of writers who 'meh' at blasphemic criminalisation, or who do not find literary space to discuss current issues such as censorship, intellectual property rights, digitisation and overt censorship. it is symptomatic of stasis in the realm of ideas.
[quote=eurocitizan;2436900]Yes.
So you disagree with the tax break for Artists because it was tax payers money but you agree to giving tax payers money to the Writers' centre
Agg all funding given by any Government is tax payers money .
Is it so difficult to grasp that promotion of the arts, like most other policy questions faced by politicians, can (and mostly should) be seen as the technical question of how to achieve a particular politico-social goal at the lowest possible cost (including money cost) for the taxpayer?
No, I remember, you're a Fianna Fáiler, and therefore this concept is well beyond your ken.
The fact is the tax-free status of artists was inordinately expensive and very badly targetted, and therefore very wasteful.
The same cannot be said for funding of the Irish Writers' Centre.
There is no need for confusion.
And I strongly object to the language you use. Fianna Fáilers are always talking about how they gave oaps free travel, they provided those who could save with the SSIA, they gave the medical card to everyone over 65, as if the recipients were expected to be grateful for such largesse (and this is precisely what is expected).
In reality, Fianna Fáil did none of these things. And such gratitude is misplaced, because all of the above-mentioned policies were appalling, regressive and economically irresponsible decisions (one could mention a good few more examples of mindless vote-buying that Fianna Fáil -- and, to a far lesser extent, others -- engaged in, but a Sunday is too short).
Fianna Fáil implemented many bad policies, and nobody -- not even those who benefitted from them -- have any cause for gratitude.
Last edited by Toland; 7th February 2010 at 11:58 AM.
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