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    Seeing the Dark

    If only St Paul had had the ability to see the Dark we would have been saved a lot of time by not listening to his letters being read out by countless priests and bishops etc over the decades.

    The ability to see the dark comes naturally to those of us with restless and questioning minds.

    Often it's a Eureka moment for those of us brought up to believe in a religion. Especially a religion where children from birth are subjected to continuous misinformation from seemingly devout parents and teachers.

    Jews believe a boy becomes a man at 13. Hence the Barmitzvah ceremony.

    When do children actually begin to think for themselves though? When do they begin to question their parents, religion, politics, taste in music etc etc.

    Why do so few begin to see the Dark? What's the trigger mechanism in the human brain that fires the first shot into the Dark.

    Seeing the Light has always been easy, seeing the beautiful Darkness of the Cosmos is another matter altogether.

    The dawn of penetrating thought came early yet here we are with most of the world's population, still in the Light!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MauriceColgan View Post
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    ...When do children actually begin to think for themselves though? ...!?
    Most never do.
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    You OK there Maurice ? What's this dark you speak of ? Dark can be many things, some good, some not so good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvotingMachine0197 View Post
    You OK there Maurice ? What's this dark you speak of ? Dark can be many things, some good, some not so good.


    I'm fine thank you.

    I guess seeing the dark is the acceptance that we die permanently and there is nothing more as far as we as a mind are concerned.

    I'm fascinated by the fact that those of us seeing the dark cannot seem to dim the light of those unfortunately still trapped in it like rabbits in car headlights.

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    Well in that case, don't most parents try to protect their children from the dark by speaking about the light ? Even parents who do see the dark ?

    When a child first gets upset about someone dying, aren't they comforted with stories of light ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvotingMachine0197 View Post
    Well in that case, don't most parents try to protect their children from the dark by speaking about the light ? Even parents who do see the dark ?

    When a child first gets upset about someone dying, aren't they comforted with stories of light ?
    It depends on circumstances.

    I saw my first dead body when aged seven. I was invited into the darkened front room of a house by children to say a prayer for their departed relative. It was the fastest prayer I ever said. But then I was still in the light in the dark.

    Children raised in homes without the artificial light may have stayed to examine the corpse in detail to satisy their natural curiosity?

    Counciling was unheard of in my childhood. But I can still see that body dressed in Monks habit with coins on it's eyelids. Is that what is now seen as Flashbacks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MauriceColgan View Post
    It depends on circumstances.

    I saw my first dead body when aged seven. I was invited into the darkened front room of a house by children to say a prayer for their departed relative. It was the fastest prayer I ever said. But then I was still in the light in the dark.
    I was a bit older, around 11 I think, but it was still weird.

    Children raised in homes without the artificial light may have stayed to examine the corpse in detail to satisy their natural curiosity?
    That's an interesting question, or did you intend it to be rhetorical ? I think possibly children of any light intensity upbringing have a natural curiosity. That's a human thing isn't it ? And maybe it depends on the child's relationship with the dead one and the context etc.

    My kids recently wanted to attend a wake in the locality. A relative. I denied them. I reckon they will only see the Dark. And I think seeing that Dark can wait another few years. But when the age comes, I won't be handing out flashlights.

    Counciling was unheard of in my childhood. But I can still see that body dressed in Monks habit with coins on it's eyelids. Is that what is now seen as Flashbacks?
    I think that's plain old fashioned memory Maurice.
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    you must not let the darkness bring you down,to see loved ones and friends laid out one last time in a wooden box, as neighbours pass by to pay respects and make sure the relevant relative sees them doing it,the dark thoughts creep in ,playing on your mind,what if ,should i have done more when they were alive,have they gone to a better place or is this it ,the lights go out and you cease to exist, your hopes ,your dreams ,your failures,mistakes all vanished forever to the cold darkness,the ones left behind do they hold you fresh in their memories or does it fade into the deep black darkness never again to be exposed to the light,

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    Quote Originally Posted by MauriceColgan View Post
    If only St Paul had had the ability to see the Dark we would have been saved a lot of time by not listening to his letters being read out by countless priests and bishops etc over the decades.
    How come there are no replies to Saint Paul's letters to various people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    How come there are no replies to Saint Paul's letters to various people?

    Regards...jmcc
    due to a postal strike around about 40a.d it was not possible to reply to the letters sent by st. paul, a spokesman for the roman empire postal service a mr i'm alrightus jackus connorus said '' due to the refusal of the emperor caesar to allow the postal workers 12 days off, it is now necessary to withdraw our labour'' .the postal workers were executed by the roman army but not before they destroyed all the mail

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