Atheists are having it too easy.

[drkpower]

Perhaps Atheists need to concede that morality is a religious/theistic concept. I know, for example, that in the area of medical ethics most commentators never speak of 'morality' as they considered it to have distinctly religious connotations. Instead, they reason from the point of view of (secular) ethics.

Nonsense on so many fronts!

Ethics is just another word for a system of moral values/conduct. And medical ethics always was (and probably still is to a certain extent) influenced by religous teaching of all hues.

Medics tend to now avoid the use of God/religon in any debate with regard to ethics, predominantly because and since evidence-based medicine has been practised and accepted as the gold standard.

'Evidence-based' and God dont sit so well together.

[ibis]

Altruism is inconsistent with disbelief in an afterlife. Why should you care what happens to anybody or any society when you are gone? Caring what happens after your death is a spiritual value surely.
You may care but it is neither logical nor reasonable to do so if you believe it to be entirely irrelevant to yourself.

You're also confusing atheism with solipsism. It appears that some people have a number of doggedly held beliefs about atheists that they prefer projecting onto atheists rather than listening to what the atheists themselves say.

But then, all you religious people are child molesters, right? After all, as long as you Catholics square stuff up through confession and contrition, you can do what you like, eh?

Or you could listen to what we're saying, and try adjusting those beliefs.

[greenporcupine]

One can if one wishes go and look at the evidence for an expanding universe. It is available for examination and is falsifiable. The same cannot be said for the god hypothesis.



You believe because you choose to believe independent of any truth: how sad.

No CATO ,you are the blind one .
How can one argue with a blind person who will not even try brail.
Only the long term results among other things will show your folly.
Long term atheists [there are many short term ones ,like myself] have something missing,which means they are unable to access ,plug into certain truths,and do not want to in most cases.

Could I ask you one question those of you who are certain Atheists ?
Why do you think we have the highest number of people on the planet in known history,and why have we been able to ,AT THIS STAGE access
greater knowledge than for a very ,very long time? WHY ?

[Toland]

Right lads, I'm off to bed

[greenporcupine]

You're also confusing atheism with solipsism. It appears that some people have a number of doggedly held beliefs about atheists that they prefer projecting onto atheists rather than listening to what the atheists themselves say.

But then, all you religious people are child molesters, right? After all, as long as you Catholics square stuff up through confession and contrition, you can do what you like, eh?

Or you could listen to what we're saying, and try adjusting those beliefs.

Reading posts on this sight ,and American ones,yes there does seem to be a lot of false ideas about atheists among 'religious 'people. Where I am now, there are so many people who say they are atheists ,but if you dig a little deeper ,you will find many of the more educated, are really AGNOSTIC.
This false impression of atheists [Having been one for many years ] is mirrored on their side, by wrong impressions of Believers like myself [and M Scott Peck ] etc. that one simply, believes.
No one SEES clearly and one becomes very complete.

[Garland Names the Planets]

No CATO ,you are the blind one .
How can one argue with a blind person who will not even try brail.
Only the long term results among other things will show your folly.
Long term atheists [there are many short term ones ,like myself] have something missing,which means they are unable to access ,plug into certain truths,and do not want to in most cases.

Could I ask you one question those of you who are certain Atheists ?
Why do you think we have the highest number of people on the planet in known history,and why have we been able to ,AT THIS STAGE access
greater knowledge than for a very ,very long time? WHY ?

That a species might contrive to develop belief systems that contrives to define a reality that conforms to your sense of wishful thinking at every turn. You really find it to be a puzzle that the majority might do this? Anyway facts are not decided by plebiscite. Facts are facts and they are non negotiable. Reality is not a pick and mix that will alter itself to make an ape species feel better about themselves. The fact that there is no God makes you sad so you'll just go on believing the contrary so you'll have motivation to go bake muffins for the local Grannies? No. Facts are facts and they are not governed by your sad feelings. Tough sh*t. Deal with it

[femmefatale]

Absolute nonsense.

How you keeping, Maurice?

[Half Nelson]

You're also confusing atheism with solipsism. It appears that some people have a number of doggedly held beliefs about atheists that they prefer projecting onto atheists rather than listening to what the atheists themselves say.

But then, all you religious people are child molesters, right? After all, as long as you Catholics square stuff up through confession and contrition, you can do what you like, eh?

Or you could listen to what we're saying, and try adjusting those beliefs.

I don't think I'm confusing anything of the kind. I do notice that the contributors tend to go very quiet when asked to account for their beliefs, according to their own terms.
When an avowed atheist follows through on statements like the above and brings them to a sensible end, consistent with what he has stated, then I will adjust my beliefs accordingly, well mindful that there are very many shades of belief.
In the meantime, as long as you try to bat for them, while sitting on the fence, they can stay in the shadows.

[femmefatale]

Right lads, I'm off to bed

This is not a men-only site, AS. Please try to be inclusive.

[Mercurial]

I don't think I'm confusing anything of the kind. I do notice that the contributors tend to go very quiet when asked to account for their beliefs, according to their own terms.
When an avowed atheist follows through on statements like the above and brings them to a sensible end, consistent with what he has stated, then I will adjust my beliefs accordingly, well mindful that there are very many shades of belief.
In the meantime, as long as you try to bat for them, while sitting on the fence, they can stay in the shadows.

Is the charge you're making that it is illogical or unreasonable for an atheist to care about what happens after they die?