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    Quote Originally Posted by McTell View Post
    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...aper-1.3303986


    There's a lot of guff being generated behind the scenes that seems designed to slow the deal. Of great importance to us, given being on an island, aircraft leasing biz, Ryanair,

    First, EU to EU flights must be made by a carrier that is 50% owned by EU persons - who knew this?

    "Ownership restrictions would also apply, forcing groups such as Ryanair andInternational Airlines Group to buy out British shareholders to ensure they were 50 per cent owned and controlled by EU nationals, in order to continue operating routes within the EU." ...

    If strictly applied in a no-deal Brexit scenario, such an approach would lead to the grounding of many UK flights — something British ministers have dismissed as scaremongering. The paper notes there are no World Trade Organisation fallback options for aviation and makes clear that “old bilateral agreements between member states and the UK are not revived”.



    No, but there's IATA - IATA - Home

    IATA - Air Traffic Management

    Everyone else thinks that the "single european sky" is still at the blueprint stage -

    http://www.iata.org/pressroom/pr/Doc...ropean-sky.pdf


    Plus US, arab, chinese and russian planes come and go without anyone denying them the right to land. The tenor of this "leaked" doc is that the EU are (on our behalf) looking for difficulties that don't really exist, unless we want them to. Do we want difficulties? Where's the margin in that?

    When we're flying from Milano to Dublino, and the plane will most likely clip UK airspace, do we want to pay extra for the privilege?
    Single European Sky is not at the blueprint stage. It's a long gradual process of integration of air traffic management within the European area. Euocontrol was established in 1960 and it's purpose, contrary to the general BREXIT narrative about European bureaucracy, is to reduce the inefficiencies caused by having 30+ individual national authorities and ATC organisations managing European airspace. For example the USA with 1 national ATC organisation and regulator manages the same approx area of airspace with more traffic and nearly half the employees. Basically it's about reducing duplication. Mastrict Upper Area Control Centre is an example of the progress that has been made, combining the sovereign airspace of Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg and NW Germany within a single organisation.

    The question of freedoms to operate passenger services between European states and beyond is separate matter.
    Last edited by Nebuchadnezzar; 29th November 2017 at 11:20 PM. Reason: Meant to say European bureaucracy, not European integration.
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    There's a lot of scaremongering going on on a variety of Brexit issues, all designed to slow down or destroy the process. It's as though people have forgotten that there's big wide world outside of Europe who we do business with. It's a ridiculous situation that puts Britain in a very weak negotiating position while it's opposition party tries to score points and delay it at every opportunity. I'm not a Tory fan but the thought of Corbyn, Abbot and McDonnell in power horrifies me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pumpkinpie View Post
    There's a lot of scaremongering going on on a variety of Brexit issues, all designed to slow down or destroy the process. It's as though people have forgotten that there's big wide world outside of Europe who we do business with. It's a ridiculous situation that puts Britain in a very weak negotiating position while it's opposition party tries to score points and delay it at every opportunity. I'm not a Tory fan but the thought of Corbyn, Abbot and McDonnell in power horrifies me.
    It's not scaremongering on this issue. It going to take a lot of time and effort by civil service staff and regulators of all the nations involved , EU and non EU, to put in place new agreements to replace what we have. Again, a prime example of the Brexiteers failure to think this stuff through and the idiocy of setting a hard deadline for BREXIT.
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    Yes, something will probably be sorted out, but really 'probably' is not really good enough in view of the potential mass disruption and cost if it is not resolved.
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    UK will remain a member of EASA(the EU aviation regulator) and subject indirectly to ECJ rulings on aviation matters. This doesn’t resolve the issue of Freedoms on the Air such as landing rights etc but it helps.

    https://news.sky.com/story/govt-to-s...-line-11151049
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    Statement from the Commission a few days ago on the status of UK airlines if no agreement can be reached. With the present shareholdings this may affect Ryanair, EasyJet, Aer Lingus(IAG), British Airways(IAG).

    Air carriers of the United Kingdom will no longer enjoy traffic rights under any air transport agreement to which the Union is a party, be it to or from the territory of the United Kingdom, be it to or from the territory of any of the EU Member States.
    https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites...-transport.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebuchadnezzar View Post
    Statement from the Commission a few days ago on the status of UK airlines if no agreement can be reached. With the present shareholdings this may affect Ryanair, EasyJet, Aer Lingus(IAG), British Airways(IAG).



    https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites...-transport.pdf


    Householders in Britain will never get a letter about that, but unionists who are supporting May to stay in government will get a letter plus one billion and a statement(in secret) to keep that beach in power.
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