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    Quote Originally Posted by Karloff View Post
    Maybe Varadkar the poppy wearer doesn't want to be put into that position and is happy to trigger a general election and be replaced.
    You never know in the smokes and mirrors of Dublin politics.
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    The combined population of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and Serbia is 102 million. Does the UK have the right to bomb the sh1t out of them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawberry View Post
    Small countries have just as much right to protect their national interests as large ones. We should use our veto without hesitation if Britain doesn't come up with a compromise that can keep the border open.

    Strawbs, I am no expert on such things......but common sense tells me if Britain were serious about an honorable exit from the EU, the Irish border should have been the British priority for resolution given their infamous "links" to Ireland and being their closest neighbours should have been able to render a proposal to the EU which would have been acceptable to all sides.

    All the Brits have done up to now is parroted a wish list of boring repetition of "we don't want a hard border" and they expect the countries of the EU to accept such stupidity as a resolution.............total incompetence and/or simply want their cake and eat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Civic_critic2 View Post
    The combined population of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and Serbia is 102 million. Does the UK have the right to bomb the sh1t out of them?


    The British and the North of Ireland taxpayers need to be aware, (whether they like it or not) support such bombings through their tax contributions to the British treasury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mickeymac View Post
    The British and the North of Ireland taxpayers need to be aware, (whether they like it or not) support such bombings through their tax contributions to the British treasury.
    The EU supports Yank + Brit bombings in middle East.

    Ireland fully fledged member of EU, Irish taxpayers need to be aware they support such bombings.
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    Under the Lisbon Treaty, the final withdrawal deal is subject to QMV. In practice though the EU Council of Ministers seldom holds votes, preferring to act by unanimity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse View Post
    Ireland is a small country
    Should it have the right to veto a British/EU trade deal or scupper the UK economy?
    Yes. Just because we are small doesn't mean we should roll over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Under the Lisbon Treaty, the final withdrawal deal is subject to QMV. In practice though the EU Council of Ministers seldom holds votes, preferring to act by unanimity.
    Correct. I think the op means "should Ireland veto moving to talks about a British trade deal?", which of course we can do.

    That's how I interpreted it, anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse View Post
    Ireland is a small country
    Should it have the right to veto a British/EU trade deal or scupper the UK economy?
    IIRC we have never used our Veto

    If Merkel; Macron & Tusk give it their Legal Imprimatur

    - then the Deal will be done

    Ireland will be offered a Financial package as way of Compensation

    Leo or Martin would bottle it

    - rather than take on Brussels.
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    I strongly disagree with the govts tactics in these negotiations. Sure we want Irish citizens to be able to move throughout the island. But in the absence of border checks (even automated ones rather than checkpoints), how are we to police illegal immigration and smuggling? These negotiations are an opportunity to tackle this problem. The bosses-party doesnt want that because of cheap labour. I would support a swipe-card system to verify citizenship before crossing the border.

    Its also possible that even if a deal is reached, the govt may decide to put it to a referendum - something I am opposed to unless it grants more power to the EU. You can be sure forces opposed to Brexit will swarm to this country to try to get us to block it - and they may have some Establishment and SF support. But a rejection would risk the UK crashing out of the EU without a deal, which would be much more harmful to the economy than with one.
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