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    A Hard Border: Coming to an Island near you

    Let's recap:

    May has stated that the UK will not be remaining in the customs or single market.
    The Irish government, backed by the EU has raised the possibility of NI maintaining the terms of the customs/single market.
    Foster has said NI will depart the Union on the same terms as the rest of the U.K.

    The Tories cannot usurp the DUP because foolishly, they now rely on the DUP for votes in Westminster.

    18 months since Brexit and not a dickiebird on what the Irish border will look like. Two weeks left until the December deadline and Leo and Simon (quite rightly) threatening a veto on trade discussions unless Whitehall surprise us all with a credible border plan in two weeks.

    All of the above makes it increasingly likely that there will be a hard border on the island because the DUP who have the Tories over a barrel, will not accept any kind of regulatory divergence from the rest of the U.K effectively putting the border in the Irish Sea.

    So should the Irish State begin preparations for this eventuality?
    Will violence return to the island?
    Has the time come for FF FG Lab and SF to promote a United Ireland as State policy?

    Answers on a postcard.
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    The Tory/DUP hook-up is a temporary little arrangement. Indeed, the current tense truce between the Brexiteers and Bremainers in the Tory party is a temporary little arrangement too. I don't expect them both to still be in place in March 2019.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wascurito View Post
    The Tory/DUP hook-up is a temporary little arrangement. Indeed, the current tense truce between the Brexiteers and Bremainers in the Tory party is a temporary little arrangement too. I don't expect them both to still be in place in March 2019.
    I agree with that and I find myself reading the British papers a lot these days. I've never seen such a state of unpredictability in politics of a democratic country, in my memory.
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    For the Brussels Bloc in Dail Eireann, this is yet another episode where the answer to Empire 2.0 and instruct the pepple that any adverse consequences come from those that no longer believe in the bullsh1t coming from Brussels.
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    There will not be a hard border on the Island of Ireland . The Demographics of Northern Ireland are changing . The Population of the North of Ireland will not tolerate a Hard Border .

    Any efforts to put a hard border in Ireland will hasten a United Ireland .
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    You have to ask yourself what do the British want out of Ireland? The British presence in Ireland has always been first and foremost driven by their geostrategic concerns. Therefore you must understand what that means in the current context to understand what the British are going to do.

    For example, if the British would like to provoke violence (as they have traditionally done, their entire presence here up until the present is based on the barrel of a gun) in order to create the conditions for a further retrenchment of unionism with a consolidated land area (bridgehead on the island to the British), then all they have to do is put up a hard border, wait for people to take potshots at it, then send out their sectarian death squads to escalate the situation and justify a military intervention while presenting themselves as reacting rather than acting. As always.

    This is one possible scenario and happens to be one that is consistent with the last 4 centuries of history.

    But it's all different now, innit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blinding View Post
    There will not be a hard border on the Island of Ireland . The Demographics of Northern Ireland are changing . The Population of the North of Ireland will not tolerate a Hard Border .

    Any efforts to put a hard border in Ireland will hasten a United Ireland .
    But there ARE efforts to put a hard border in place. Foster has said that NI will exit the EU on the same terms as the rest of the U.K. That means a Hard Border.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Civic_critic2 View Post
    You have to ask yourself what do the British want out of Ireland? The British presence in Ireland has always been first and foremost driven by their geostrategic concerns. Therefore you must understand what that means in the current context to understand what the British are going to do.

    For example, if the British would like to provoke violence (as they have traditionally done, their entire presence here up until the present is based on the barrel of a gun) in order to create the conditions for a further retrenchment of unionism with a consolidated land area (bridgehead on the island to the British), then all they have to do is put up a hard border, wait for people to take potshots at it, then send out their sectarian death squads to escalate the situation and justify a military intervention while presenting themselves as reacting rather than acting. As always.

    This is one possible scenario and happens to be one that is consistent with the last 4 centuries of history.

    But it's all different now, innit?
    im sure they would spin off NI in an IPO if there were any takers
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    Calm down. BoJo has it under control.

    "Crikey, bish bosh, eh? Look, as Cervantes said to some cove whose name I can't recall right now: 'in vino veritas, and all that."
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    Telling people how great the Eu was / is while carrying out austerity , housing crisis , wage stagnation probably wasn’t the brightest but thats the kind of dumbass stuff you get from elites .

    The British People wisely decided that when given the opportunity getting rid of the Eu elite was a very good idea .

    One Elite is more than enough for anyone . Hopefully the British people will now shake up their home grown elite .
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