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    Civic_critic2 Civic_critic2 is online now

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    The British are holding onto Gibraltar with just 28,000 people, the Falklands with something like 5000 people, Hong Kong they held onto as long as possible but there's no messing with the Chinese, Diego Garcia they simply ejected the population and still hold it on lease to the Americans, they hold onto various islands and bits of land in the Caribbean and south America as well as in the Pacific.

    In N Ireland they have 900,000 people. On the basis of everything we have seen both historically and currently what are the chances of the British willingly giving up one of the most strategic areas on their left flank at a time of European and global tectonic shift when they still have 900,000 people onside? I'd say contingency planning would be the most sensible position for the Irish to take. I suspect the degenerate southern establishment are already making deals carving up the island between the British and the Europeans with a European military intervention - 'peacekeeping' - already being worked on.

    We were recently told that there is a secret agreement between the British and the Irish establishment for RAF planes to travel freely through Irish airspace and target and shoot whatever they decide independently of Irish executive control.
    How can a country be called a democracy when its decision-makers create secret diplomatic agreements? In what sense is the country a democracy when secret agreements are decided over the heads of the people as if they are so many peasants not to be involved in such things?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blinding View Post
    There will not be a hard border on the Island of Ireland . The Demographics of Northern Ireland are changing . The Population of the North of Ireland will not tolerate a Hard Border .

    Any efforts to put a hard border in Ireland will hasten a United Ireland .
    The demographic changes are real but they will take a decade at least to play out. Brexit is more urgent than that. It's true that people will be incensed by the re-appearance of customs posts and security checks along the border. My hope is that the anger is channelled into positive civil disobedience and that the dissident groups don't use the public's anger to carry out a campaign of bombing and shooting.
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    Will the politicians who cause a hard border, attend the funeral of the first border guard who is murdered?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    Will the politicians who cause a hard border, attend the funeral of the first border guard who is murdered?
    They will offer thoughts and prayers and repeat that such disgusting attacks will not twart the democratic institutions of the State.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    Will the politicians who cause a hard border, attend the funeral of the first border guard who is murdered?
    If their security guaranteed that they were under no threat whatsoever then they might make an appearance .
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    To be honest, I think the policy of promoting a customs border on the Irish Sea is a pretty good one. It makes the point far more clearly than a more strident pro-unification stance, because it can't be dismissed easily as just more of the same old nationalist tripe.

    It is also seen as an aggressive position -- and appropriately so -- by our European partners, underlining the sheer irresponsibility of the British position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordie Northsider View Post
    The demographic changes are real but they will take a decade at least to play out. Brexit is more urgent than that. It's true that people will be incensed by the re-appearance of customs posts and security checks along the border. My hope is that the anger is channelled into positive civil disobedience and that the dissident groups don't use the public's anger to carry out a campaign of bombing and shooting.
    Thankfully, demographics are not the only factor. Personally, I think that if Brexit ends up being the disaster for Britain I suspect it very well might (where on earth is there an up-side?), then there may be some changes of mind on a substantial scale in the centre between unionism and nationalism about how best to ensure the welfare of the people of Northern Ireland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruserious View Post
    Let's recap:

    May has stated that the UK will not be remaining in the customs or single market.
    The Irish government, backed by the EU has raised the possibility of NI maintaining the terms of the customs/single market.
    Foster has said NI will depart the Union on the same terms as the rest of the U.K.

    The Tories cannot usurp the DUP because foolishly, they now rely on the DUP for votes in Westminster.

    18 months since Brexit and not a dickiebird on what the Irish border will look like. Two weeks left until the December deadline and Leo and Simon (quite rightly) threatening a veto on trade discussions unless Whitehall surprise us all with a credible border plan in two weeks.

    All of the above makes it increasingly likely that there will be a hard border on the island because the DUP who have the Tories over a barrel, will not accept any kind of regulatory divergence from the rest of the U.K effectively putting the border in the Irish Sea.

    So should the Irish State begin preparations for this eventuality?
    Will violence return to the island?
    Has the time come for FF FG Lab and SF to promote a United Ireland as State policy?

    Answers on a postcard.
    I thought this was going to be another cork thread rus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Civic_critic2 View Post
    The British are holding onto Gibraltar with just 28,000 people, the Falklands with something like 5000 people, Hong Kong they held onto as long as possible but there's no messing with the Chinese, Diego Garcia they simply ejected the population and still hold it on lease to the Americans, they hold onto various islands and bits of land in the Caribbean and south America as well as in the Pacific.

    In N Ireland they have 900,000 people. On the basis of everything we have seen both historically and currently what are the chances of the British willingly giving up one of the most strategic areas on their left flank at a time of European and global tectonic shift when they still have 900,000 people onside? I'd say contingency planning would be the most sensible position for the Irish to take. I suspect the degenerate southern establishment are already making deals carving up the island between the British and the Europeans with a European military intervention - 'peacekeeping' - already being worked on.

    We were recently told that there is a secret agreement between the British and the Irish establishment for RAF planes to travel freely through Irish airspace and target and shoot whatever they decide independently of Irish executive control.
    How can a country be called a democracy when its decision-makers create secret diplomatic agreements? In what sense is the country a democracy when secret agreements are decided over the heads of the people as if they are so many peasants not to be involved in such things?
    Goes on all time - everywhere - but we just don't know the half or quarter of it - which is why it's kept secret.
    Non-aligned Sweden carried out reconnaissance flights over Soviet airspace during the Cold War as part of a secret deal with NATO.
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    https://www.rte.ie/amp/920981/

    Damn proud of the Irish government reading that.
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