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    Quote Originally Posted by PO'Neill View Post
    Exactly, the Paisleyites only have at look what happened to the Lib Dems to see the long term of propping up the Tory's Or down here Labour and FG, the Greens and FF, the PD's and FF etc. Jayus, give it time and this is going to be fun !!
    Comparing NI with what goes on in 'normal' democracies is a bit of a stretch innit?

    Voting still goes along sectarian lines and is unlikely to change anytime soon...

    If anything the trend is towards the more entrenched parties on both sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanner Island View Post
    Comparing NI with what goes on in 'normal' democracies is a bit of a stretch innit?

    Voting still goes along sectarian lines and is unlikely to change anytime soon...

    If anything the trend is towards the more entrenched parties on both sides.
    But your forgetting the demographics are changing inevitably in favor of nationalism, things are not static with an older unionist population at one end which will be dying off and a clear majority of young nationalists coming into voting age at the other. The only result of DUP arrogance will be to get the nationalist vote out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PO'Neill View Post
    But your forgetting the demographics are changing inevitably in favor of nationalism with an older unionist population at one end and a majority of nationalists coming into voting age at the other. The only result of DUP arrogance will be to get the nationalist vote out.

    DUP bring home the bacon, an extra spend of 1.5 billion over two years.

    Shinners stand idly by.
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    Shouldn't this thread be in the NI forum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PO'Neill View Post
    But your forgetting the demographics are changing inevitably in favor of nationalism, things are not static with an older unionist population at one end which will be dying off and a clear majority of young nationalists coming into voting age at the other. The only result of DUP arrogance will be to get the nationalist vote out.
    Hardly a positive and/or persuasive way of achieving a UI... basically breeding your way to it...

    Doesn't bode well for the prospects of any sort of harmonious UI happening even if the demographics work it that way...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toowoomba View Post
    DUP bring home the bacon, an extra spend of 1.5 billion over two years.

    Shinners stand idly by.
    Firstly it wouldn't last long and will end inevitably in tears. This was talked about on The View last night and they made two good points (A) the DUP should be very weary of propping up the Tory's, just look what happened to the Lib Dems or down here LP propping up FG, the Greens and PD's with FF etc (B) There will be no Assembly to administer how the money will be spent, the Sec of Sate will be doing it therefore giving the UUP etc the chance to knock the DUP that it's not them who have brought about improvements in roads or whatever but the Tory's/Sec of State. Regardless it wouldn't last long and will end inevitably in tears - and you know it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spanner Island View Post
    Hardly a positive and/or persuasive way of achieving a UI... basically breeding your way to it...

    Doesn't bode well for the prospects of any sort of harmonious UI happening even if the demographics work it that way...
    Couldn't care less, let them whinge and moan forever, hopefully a lot of them will fu*k off back to Britain or anywhere else they want to go
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    Quote Originally Posted by PO'Neill View Post
    Firstly it wouldn't last long and will end inevitably in tears. This was talked about on The View last night an dthey made two ggod points (A) the DUP should eb very weary of propping up the Tory's, just look what happened to the Lib Dems or down here LP propping up FG, the Greens and PD's with FF etc (B) There will be no Assembly to administer how money will be spent, the Sec of Sate will be doing therefore giving the UUP etc to knock the DUP that it's not them who have brought about improvements in roads or whatever but the Tory's/Sec of State. Regardless it wouldn't last long and will end inevitably in tears - and you know it.
    What is more likely to bring the new arrangement down is the implosion of the tories as a brexit deal takes shape.There are quite a few in their ranks that make the DUP seem sane or SF seem honest. Those backwoods MP's will simply turn on whoever their leader is by then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TruthInTheNews View Post
    EU ministers have agreed between themselves that there must be unanimous agreement on any trade deal with Britain. That means that the Poles or the Irish can veto any trade deal not to their liking.

    Dublin needs to show some solidarity with the majority in NI who are opposed to Brexit.
    If the NI executive and Scots feel they have permission to agree independent arrangements to be members of the EEA (Along with the freedom of movement) then they should get a little note from their mammy in Number 10 to that effect and off they go. Except of course they don't. The idea that the EU, already hacked off because they have to negotiate with one group of UKers who don't know what they're doing, should now split that off into 4 different groups of UKers is ludicrous.

    There's one member of the EU that wants to leave. The UK. Not Cornwall. Or London. Or Northern Ireland. The UK. And the UK's got one government to negotiate with. Not Labour, not the Greens, not SF.

    And quite frankly: If SF REALLY cared about this, they'd have made noises about being willing to support an SNP/Lab/Lib Dems and PCs in westminster in govt in exchange for the UK remaining part of the EEA.

    There's zero chance of this, for lots and lots of reasons (Try reading what the EEA actually entails and come up with a way that's compatible for NI to do while remaining in the UK), it's not worth any time on. It's the same make a wish stuff that Labour and the Tories have. "Oh we'd like all the good stuff of the EEA, but none of the obligations thanks".

    There'll be a solution reached on the border. This is not going to be part of that solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toowoomba View Post
    DUP bring home the bacon, an extra spend of 1.5 billion over two years.

    Shinners stand idly by.
    One, that bacon ain't home yet. Two, the twelfth is just around the corner - lets was how that sits with yet average Tory. Three brexit - of you think the Tories will survive that, ye are mad entirely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cricket View Post
    What is more likely to bring the new arrangement down is the implosion of the tories as a brexit deal takes shape.There are quite a few in their ranks that make the DUP seem sane or SF seem honest. Those backwoods MP's will simply turn on whoever their leader is by then.
    Yes, Brexit is already turning out to be a disaster, Frau Merkel and Macron are almost like Conor McGregor looking forward to thrashing a fighter he knows hasn't a hope against the Notorious. But the reality is that DUP voting farmers, business people etc WILL have their pocket sharply stung and inevitably the DUP will be asked what are you lot taking money out of our pockets and potentially ruining their business's so don't bother telling us how better we are off thanks to the Sec of State spending a bit more on schools and hospitals. It wouldn't all be good news all round, a sharp down turn in England will hurt our trade with them, but Britain will come out the worse of Brexit in the long run. Well done Farage and Johnson.
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