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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsui2 View Post
    If some of those folks in Kensington get their hands on her then maybe there'll be little of the "self-" about it.
    Very hairy looking situation - I thought it most interesting Andrea Leadsom surfaced before May made a second hurried appearance (in a church of all places!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadlock View Post
    Very hairy looking situation - I thought it most interesting Andrea Leadsom surfaced before May made a second hurried appearance (in a church of all places!)
    I pictured her clutching at the altar going "Sanctuary! Sanctuary!"

    What worried me was that it didn't even seem funny.
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    Theresa Mayís Weak and Wobbly Outfit

    An interesting article from the New York Times which describes the UK's dire political situation on the eve of the Brexit negotiations.

    Brexit is "epic self-harm" combined with the
    self-inflicted mess [which] stems from the prime ministerís humiliation in an election last week: call it May-hem. She is set to limp, vulnerable to the whims of her Conservative Party and to any crisis, into a rickety government propped up by a bunch of rabid Ulster Unionists who are the ideological heirs of the firebrand preacher, Ian Paisley.
    In Roger Cohen's opinion Britain's membership of the EU was "the foundation of its prosperity and strategic heft over more than four decades"

    As for May:
    [she] has been repudiated for her arrogance, but above all for her utter vacuity. Almost single-handedly she revived the Labour Party of the leftist Jeremy Corbyn, who at least appeared to believe in something.
    The "Brexit means Brexit" mantra is as vacuous as the Brexit decision, it
    [sums] up the nothingness of a decision informed by lies, fueled by jingoism, and spearheaded by charlatans.
    Cohen thinks that there is already a "buyer's regret" about the Brexit decision, reflected in Labour's surge at the polls, and that there may be another referendum this time "based...on real terms rather than wretched lies"

    If the Brexit terms are going to be exactly the same as remaining in the EU, especially in regard to freedom of movement, but without any voting powers, what is the point in leaving?
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    Several articles from the Guardian before the Brexit talks start.

    This exciting Brexit future feels like all the rubbish bits from the past

    Philip Hammond to prioritise economic prosperity in Brexit talks
    Chancellor says negotiating team is open to ideas from Brussels and will try to find solution that works for UK and EU

    The Guardian view on Brexit Britain: a clown not a lion

    "Leaving the European Union is a huge gamble that shows no sign of paying off. Theresa May needs to be deflected by facts rather than delusions to try and make our post-EU future work"
    Wooden-headedness is a source of self-deception. It is also the defining feature of Theresa May’s prime ministerial stint, and particularly of her “hard Brexit” strategy. On Europe Mrs May appears to assess a situation in terms of preconceived fixed notions while ignoring any contrary signs. She then acts on her delusions and does not allow herself to be deflected by facts. While this might be a good way of winning power, it is not a good way to exercise it
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    Quote Originally Posted by gracethepirate View Post
    If the Brexit terms are going to be exactly the same as remaining in the EU, especially in regard to freedom of movement, but without any voting powers, what is the point in leaving?
    A certain small coterie of financially safe rightist Tories and their supporters will feel confirmed in their fantasies.

    A very large number of less financially safe British people will suffer.

    But we are seeing this week exactly what financially safe, fantasising Tories think of their less financially safe fellow Britons, so I doubt that will bother them much.
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    Ed Balls predicts another election next year to resolve Brexit deadlock

    To the Strand Group at King’s College, London, last night to hear Ed Balls present his work with Peter Sands on what businesses want from Brexit.
    The paper finds that most companies want to stay in the single market. If they can’t have that, they want a free trade agreement with as little obstruction to trade as possible. They are worried that, far from escaping Brussels regulation, Brexit means more and duplicated regulation. And they want to keep access to EU labour, either highly skilled or low-skilled in agriculture and hospitality.
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    Sound like they really ought to lobbied MPs VERY much harder than they appear to have before the House of Commons vote endorsing Brexit. Sounds like they want full EU market access, with a domestically enshrined right and ability to dump "pesky" EU social protection regulations.
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    Andreas Whittam Smith has an interesting article on Brexit, that GB can reverse the decision to leave the EU at any time (until the agreement is finalised) but Leavers will likely scupper it.

    Macron may say that the UK can stay in the EU, but Brexiteers will make sure that never happens

    Britain's economic performance will continue to deteriorate during the Brexit talks. But unfortunately I don't believe that will sway the Leave supporters who voted with their hearts, not their wallets
    Both France and Germany have reiterated that GB will be welcomed to remain, despite Article 50.

    I agree with Whittam Smith's view that "Brexit is a massive disaster in the making" and already this is showing well before any Brexit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadlock View Post
    Sound like they really ought to lobbied MPs VERY much harder than they appear to have before the House of Commons vote endorsing Brexit. Sounds like they want full EU market access, with a domestically enshrined right and ability to dump "pesky" EU social protection regulations.
    I think that Corbyn's two-faced attitude to Brexit stopped a lot of work that should have been done by Labour in Parliament.
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