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    Tribal Tribal is offline

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    Brexit may be regressive but I doubt the UK is heading towards pariah state status. How else can the nations of the world come bow their knee to the reasserted pax Britannia?

    It would be some turnaround for Britain to be the country blocking a round the world balloon attempt like Libya stopped Branson once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanner Island View Post
    That's what I'm thinking (for overflights at the very least) although there's some stick to the letter of the law jobsworths on here who seem to think otherwise.
    We had the same linear thinking back in the heady days of 'During The Crash' which followed 'Back in the The Boom'. People said such a thing is inevitable because that is what would happen normally in normal times. Ireland was going to default. The Uero was going to collapse, etc.. because economics would dictate it. What they neglected is that politics wasn't economics, and in this case, it isn't law either. Politics is about fudging so that things like economics and law can be circumvented in when normality has left the building. When and where it makes sense, messy stop-gap solutions will be implemented. The rules are the rules until you absolutely must have different rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jams odonnell View Post
    Britain wants to negotiate. Michel Barnier does not want to negotiate, he just wants Britain to leave the EU. This is ridiculous.
    the rules are there, obey or not, thats the problem with the uk
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    the uk remind me of the gobahn saor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanner Island View Post
    I'm surprised they're selling this far out tbh... most airlines don't load flights beyond a year before the flight...

    It'll be interesting to see how bookings go with no guarantees that the flights/holidays will actually happen and no compensation on offer...

    Ireland will be well f***ed too if overflights are affected...

    Flights to the rest of the EU will take much longer from here for most routes as they'll have to circumnavigate UK airspace...

    This will add considerable time and costs to air fares from here to the EU...

    Bye bye tourism and Dub Hub and lots more besides...

    The Brits will throw us under their Brexit bus if given half a chance...

    On the plus side though... the new runway at Dublin Airport probably won't be needed which will make a lot of north Dublin residents happy...
    I don't believe there is a suggestion of overflights being affected
    They are governed by the Chicago Convention of the ICAO - a UN body
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse View Post
    I don't believe there is a suggestion of overflights being affected
    They are governed by the Chicago Convention of the ICAO - a UN body
    Let's hope so cos I've no faith in politicians not sinking to imbecile levels of stupidity...

    Edwina Currie for example... when discussing Heathrow expansion a while back... suggested without cracking a smile, that BoJo's airport in the estuary could service east bound flights while Heathrow was kept for westbound flights...

    No clue about what she was talking about but happy enough to spout sh!te anyway... as are most politicians when talking about most things...

    So even if covered by the Chicago Convention it can't be ruled out that the stupidity of politicians will f*** things up regardless...
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    Ken Clarke: 'There will have to be a border down the Irish sea.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by RasherHash View Post
    Ken Clarke: 'There will have to be a border down the Irish sea.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadlock View Post
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    It was on the BBC NI news at 6:30.
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    Dutch diplomacy has a reputation for honesty, phlegmatism and courage.

    BBC reports the Netherlands is ramping up for diamond hard Brexit.

    ... right now, there is a more prosaic problem vexing local people, like Peter Westdijk, from cargo company DFDS. "We have to divide our terminal into separate parts," he says, standing at the harbour side, "and that will cost a lot of money."
    Mr Westdijk's problem is that much of the cargo he ships goes to and from the UK. And with negotiations on Brexit showing little sign of progress, he has to prepare for what happens if the UK leaves with no trade agreement in place - which could well mean customs checks on goods which until now have flowed freely."You can't estimate the amount the delays will cost," he says, "but it will be considerable."
    Undaunted the Dutch face Brexit stoically - and blaze a trail Ireland needs to follow closely.

    When you factor in suppliers and ancillary businesses, the UK is responsible for 4% of the Dutch economy. So an end to free trade between the two, the imposition of tariffs or other barriers, could well make a dent in Dutch growth figures.
    Yet paradoxically, this threat offers potential support to a key argument deployed by the pro-Brexit side. In the run-up to the referendum, they insisted it would be easy to negotiate a trade deal with the EU, on the basis that "they need us as much as we need them." With the Netherlands and other countries vulnerable to the consequences of a hard Brexit, Britain might indeed be seen to have leverage in any negotiations.
    The Dutch wasp stings ...

    (This) was a suggestion I made to a Dutch MP specialising in European affairs, Anne Mulder. Was it time, I asked, for the Netherlands and other influential EU nations to offer the UK more concessions, given all would suffer from a breakdown of talks?

    The Dutch have a reputation for politeness, and I was expecting a reply laden with diplomatic euphemism. What I got was a surprisingly pithy denunciation of Britain's politicians, and their approach to the Brexit negotiations:

    "Some of them are unrealistic, they are not rational… they are always saying the ball is in the EU's court. Well there's a great big ball in their court, but they don't want to see, because they are blind."


    And what about the claim that the EU needs the UK just as much as the UK needs the EU?

    "If you want to dream, do it at night," he suggested.

    When it comes to those UK-EU negotiations, it seems the current betting here is on failure.
    Quite ...

    Brexit: How the Netherlands is braced for 'no deal' - BBC News
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