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    Quote Originally Posted by NewGoldDream View Post
    I agree. It has changed. You used to get the stroke, but deep down fellows had to know they were wrong. Now you get the big land deal, the lies to the Dáil, the stroke, the wrong doing...with apparently no idea that it's wrong, or shock that anyone could even think as much! It's like the current crop believe their own crap is clean!

    As for Bosnia, what happened there is a disgrace, as is the attempt to afterwards say that the Serbs were the victims of the Western World and some Catholic Croat conspiracy. Noone should ever forget what happened in the woods around Srebernica. It was savage.
    Absolutely, we must remember all the victims of this conflict.

    B92 - News - B. Serbs mark anniversary of massacre

    The OTHER Srebrenica massacre | Belgrade Foreign Visitors Club
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    Excellent article by academic and antiwar.com contributer David Gibbs whose own book First Do No Harm: Humanitarian Intervention and the Destruction of Yugoslavia, was published in 2009. He has since been subjected to a vicious campaign of intimidation (as has Chomsky) for questioning the Western narrative on Yugoslavia and the events surrounding Srebrenica.

    Welcome to the Balkan Propaganda Machine by David Gibbs -- Antiwar.com

    Consider the 1995 Srebrenica massacre. The basic facts of the massacre — and that the Serb forces bear the overwhelming responsibility for perpetrating it — are widely acknowledged. However, there remains debate among legal specialists about whether this massacre should be classed as a genocide or a war crime, with no clear consensus on this question. By frivolously hurling the smear phrase “genocide denier” against critics, Hoare seeks to suppress this debate, in order to preserve a simplified version of the Srebrenica massacre and of the Balkan wars more generally.

    And the circumstances that led to the massacre are considerably more complicated than is popularly believed. For example, there is little doubt that the Muslim government of Alija Izetbegović allowed Srebrenica to fall to Serb militias, as part of their policy of encouraging Serb atrocities and thus shocking the Western powers into intervening against the Serbs; in doing this, the government contributed to the massacre that followed. Yet these facts remain suppressed in public discussions of the Bosnia war, which typically celebrate the virtues of the Muslim government. Once again, the intimidation campaigns have obscured vital information.
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    " there is little doubt that the Muslim government of Alija Izetbegović allowed Srebrenica to fall to Serb militias, as part of their policy of encouraging Serb atrocities and thus shocking the Western powers into intervening against the Serbs"

    That's a new one in the lexicon of pathetic excuses..after all the other ones were tried and shown up as rubbish.
    "You let us do it. So you're to blame." Can't wait to see this one tried in the District Court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IvoShandor View Post
    " there is little doubt that the Muslim government of Alija Izetbegović allowed Srebrenica to fall to Serb militias, as part of their policy of encouraging Serb atrocities and thus shocking the Western powers into intervening against the Serbs"

    That's a new one in the lexicon of pathetic excuses..after all the other ones were tried and shown up as rubbish.
    "You let us do it. So you're to blame." Can't wait to see this one tried in the District Court.
    It is not a pathetic excuse or is it any attempt to justify what happened at Srebrenica. I bet you never bothered your lazy neo-con boney arse to read the article and as usual cherry picking some of the argument and quoting it out of context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Partizan View Post
    It is not a pathetic excuse or is it any attempt to justify what happened at Srebrenica. I bet you never bothered your lazy neo-con boney arse to read the article and as usual cherry picking some of the argument and quoting it out of context.
    There you go with this "neo-con" attempt at abuse..not very original, are you?
    .And my arse is very-well padded, thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by IvoShandor View Post
    There you go with this "neo-con" attempt at abuse..not very original, are you?
    .And my arse is very-well padded, thank you
    Go on I bet you never read the article.

    and yes you are a neo-con. Thats not abuse, its fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interista View Post
    There is no doubt that atrocities were committed by Serb forces in Kosovo, as in Bosnia, but there's also little doubt that the Western powers were keen to see Serbia dismembered and a US military base, sorry 'independent state of Kosovo' established there.
    I'm sorry and I don't intend to be personal but anyone who believes that NATO went to war, for the first time, with Serbia so they could have a small military base in Urosevac and share Adem Jashari airport with EasyJet and Pegasus airlines is a total and utter deranged mentaller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Partizan View Post
    and yes you are a neo-con. Thats not abuse, its fact.
    Much like your former membership of the PDs, then, and your crossed eyes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewolfe View Post
    This is hilarious stuff taken from the article you posted. I mean, really? How does the author explain their emaciated bodies and their dead relatives? How does the author explain Srebrenicia?:
    Look, we could settle that dispute by simply asking those Bosnians who were there.


    Errr......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kf View Post
    I'm sorry and I don't intend to be personal but anyone who believes that NATO went to war, for the first time, with Serbia so they could have a small military base in Urosevac and share Adem Jashari airport with EasyJet and Pegasus airlines is a total and utter deranged mentaller.
    Do you really think that NATO imperialists went to war against Yugoslavia in 1999 for altruistic reasons? Really? an intervention that emptied much of Kosovo of its Serbs, Jews, Roma and others.
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