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Israeli soldiers' "cold blooded murder" of Gaza's civilians

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Old 19th March 2009
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Might the entire story be a staged furore, complete with feigned secrecy, aimed at focussing world attention on a few incedents which can be easily scapegoated and deflect from the bigger picture?
I've no idea. It is rather odd that these transcripts emanated from soldiers' testimony at a military academy.

The salient point seems to be that it doesn't seem to matter a damn to anyone in Israel, or the international community, whether there were war crimes or not - there will be no repercussions. Maybe the soldiers felt at ease to speak freely as they know this.

It's not exactly a secret that the Israelis waged a murderous campaign in Gaza and targeted civilians. Maybe the soldiers forgot that nobody is supposed to mention the (way the) war (was waged).
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Fox will not say any thing against Isreal. Because Murdoch I am not Jewish but...

Israeli media in full swing to take down this news or downplay this news, one of the sickening Israeli propaganda machine
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Fox will not say any thing against Isreal. Because Murdoch I am not Jewish but...

Israeli media in full swing to take down this news or downplay this news, one of the sickening Israeli propaganda machine
Cheers for the links. So, the guy who made the soldiers' comments public is already being rubbished in the Israeli press - and they have to go back nearly 20 years to try to find some kind of imagined stain on his character.
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nothing we say or do will have any influence on the outcome.
Israel will continue to murder Palestinians, Palestinians will resist, just like the Irish did for generations against our neighbours.
Israel will respond with greater brutality and bloodshed.

In this way Israel will maintain a perpetual state of war with a state which they will never allow to exist, the state of Palestine. It's Orwellian in its anti-human cyniscism.
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Here are some lovely T-Shirts the IDF had printed. They depict the killing of Palestinian women and children by trigger happy Israeli soldiers.

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The most shocking design shows a Palestinian mother weeping next to her dead baby's grave, also in the crosshairs of a rifle. It suggests it would have been better if the child had never been born, with the slogan "Better use Durex".
The "most moral army in the world", according to Defence Minister Ehud Barak.

Israeli Army T-Shirts Mock Killing Palestinian Women And Children During Gaza Offensive | World News | Sky News
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Al Jazeera English - Middle East - UN: Gaza assault was 'inhumane'




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The United Nations special rapporteur on human rights in the Palestinian territories has said Israel's military offensive on Gaza "would seem to constitute a war crime of the greatest magnitude under international law".

Richard Falk called the 22-day bombardment a "massive assault on a densely populated urbanised setting", with the civilian population subjected to "an inhumane form of warfare that kills, maims and inflicts mental harm".

His findings were written in a report submitted to the UN Human Rights Council on Thursday.
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Here are some lovely T-Shirts the IDF had printed. They depict the killing of Palestinian women and children by trigger happy Israeli soldiers.

The "most moral army in the world", according to Defence Minister Ehud Barak.

Israeli Army T-Shirts Mock Killing Palestinian Women And Children During Gaza Offensive | World News | Sky News
No response from Yanshuf and L'Chaim up at the Embassy. No doubt they are working on a 'self hating Jews' storyline to explain away the admissions of war crimes from their own soldiers. Puts into it's proper context the utter savagery of the Israeli soldiers who slaughtered mothers and left their young children to starve almost to the point of death while they watched on.

High time the EU stopped the preferential trading terms available to the Zionist terror state under the Euro Med Agreement.
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One of the scariest things about this whole escapade is the fact that the Israeli's went and deported Professor Falk when he first arrived in Israel a couple of months back. The man was there on a UN mandate to try and ascertain the level of suffering on the ground in Gaza yet he wasn't even allowed to get out of the airport in Tel Aviv before being deported. The reason given was because in 2007, Falk, an American Jew himself, criticised Israel's actions in Gaza and stated that they were a "Holocaust in the making".

This is the well respected, and highly celebrated, American Jewish Professor of International Law at Princeton, who also happens to be the UN's special rapporteur to the Palestinian territories, we are talking about here... if the Israelis are prepared to just shut him out like that because he said something which they disliked then I can only imagine the contempt which the Israeli government must have for the Palestinians.
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I read the original story in Haaretz a couple of days ago. All the other papers that ran with the story quoted Haaretz. Now the thing is, we are looking at testimonies of unnamed soldiers as proof. Even by press standards this story is nothing more than accusation and 'make a story' type reporting. Any good journalist will tell you that you get a least two named sources to verify a story. Even, if for some reason they can't name the sources, they actually interview the person or people involved who give them quotes. This story was taken from a transcript of a newsletter of a discussion by course graduates at something like a military collage (?) and uses lots of hearsay.

So now the Israeli authorities say they are going to investigate. Still, I suppose, it does highlight the difference between the Israeli authorities and those who represent the palestinians. When the IDF kills civilians during war (and in a war of this magnitude the amount of civilian casualties was very low, compared to figures from other recent conflicts around the world) it investigates. When Hamas kills Jews Palestinians dance in the streets in celebration
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I read the original story in Haaretz a couple of days ago. All the other papers that ran with the story quoted Haaretz. Now the thing is, we are looking at testimonies of unnamed soldiers as proof. Even by press standards this story is nothing more than accusation and 'make a story' type reporting. Any good journalist will tell you that you get a least two named sources to verify a story. Even, if for some reason they can't name the sources, they actually interview the person or people involved who give them quotes. This story was taken from a transcript of a newsletter of a discussion by course graduates at something like a military collage (?) and uses lots of hearsay.

So now the Israeli authorities say they are going to investigate. Still, I suppose, it does highlight the difference between the Israeli authorities and those who represent the palestinians. When the IDF kills civilians during war (and in a war of this magnitude the amount of civilian casualties was very low, compared to figures from other recent conflicts around the world) it investigates. When Hamas kills Jews Palestinians dance in the streets in celebration


The UN have also made serious allegations about war crimes by Israel in Gaza.

Al Jazeera English - Middle East - UN: Gaza assault was 'inhumane'

And your comment about low civilian casualties is truly sick L'Chaim. Did you rejoice at all those palestinain children ye murdered?
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