Originally Posted by Drico

You my friend are an idiot.

Jews are a race of people not just a religion. Not all practitioners of the Jewish religion are Jews and not all Jews practice the Jewish Religion. They are seperate. Tel Aviv is quite a secular city by all accounts.

As a race of people national self-determination most certainly does apply to the Jews (it also applies to the Palestinians of course but that is a different issue).

Originally Posted by edg

Judasism is a religon not a race. You can have chinese Jews, black and white Jews.

Originally Posted by Drico

In religious terms yes you can and Israel has tried to use religion as a reason behind its state but that does not remove the fact that there is indeed a Jewish race of people.

To state otherwise shows incredible ignorance. To be honest is a society still very aware of the Holocaust such ignorance must surely be rooted in downright stupidity.

Ever heard of the term (anti-)semitic? It describes discrimination against Jewish people (though should also include arabs...) based in ethnicity. Please check your facts. "Jew" is both an ethnic and religious term both of which mean entirely different things.

Originally Posted by yanshuf

So what?

Judaism is both a religion and a nation.

Jews unlike all christian, have a common history, a common language, a common aspirations - the Land of Israel, and common persecutions.

That made us a nation, and not just a religion. Just like christianity made nations throughout Europe

Spread all over the world, it's quite understood that we are not one race, but since we have the same history and aspirations we are a nation.

Jews who are anti zionist are still Jews, but they don't see themselves as part of this nation.

Anti zionists try to deny Jews rights to self determination as a nation.

Thus they are antisemitic. Just like you, farmboy, are.

Merle


It's a matter of a simple count:

How many threads are there against Israel, and how many threads are there against NATO attacks.

Well, I did check this matter, and for the last week there have been 10 threads against Israel (75 from the beginning of the year), and no threads against NATO! (I checked foreign affairs, current afairs, Europe and Chat forums).

And I even took the freedom to check Merle's postings, and behold, what a surprise: while there are at least 9 posts against Israel, mainly during the last two days, there is one post that mentions Afghanistan.

Now, I have already stated in this thread that this obsession of Israel is one of the main problems in this forum, and I was ridiculed by the same people who don't want to be exposed as having a deep antisemitic problem, but this is beyond doubt the proof needed.

Marcsignal:



Neither China, Russia, Zimbabwe or Turkey, India, Pakistan or Venezuela, had calls for boycotts, not the number Israel had (And Israel had a lot of them).

This is an obsession of the Irish Left that can not be ignored!




You are supposed to be homo sapiens, not a neanderthal, media gives you information, but then you can - check it up, and you can saturate your need for knowledge by looking for things beyond and over the news. Media is not an issue in today's online world. Though it can certainly be a problem.

As for the Sri Lankan conflict: do I need to hear both sides to make a stance for myself about the refugees, like say, a leftist does regarding the Arab refugees? Do I need to be coherent with my disgust from atrocities to all mankind, or does it stop in the Middle East?

Have a great week!

Originally Posted by The Caped Cod

You are so full of shït L'Chaim. I compared a biggoted hate spewing anti-semite (in the technical sense of the word) to Nazis. The same bigot who started a thread to compare others to Nazis, that's why I chose that comparsion. I have said time and time again that its an atitude. If you don't like the Nazi comparison then don't throw it around. I could compare him to spanish conquistador, a member of a south American death squad, a Muslim jihadist, an IRA bomber, a member of the KKK or indeed an Nazi. Because he's jewish he should get a free pass on taking his own medicine, I think not.

And you can keep using the word jew to hide behind, but the issue isn't judaism. Much as you try to paint any opposition as anti-semitic, the greatist show of anti-semitism on this thread came from Yanshuf. And you try to defend his extremism just because he's jewish. You should be ashamed.
If the comparsion hurt then too bad. The truth often does.