The coming "crisis" and American totalitarianism

Seos · #31 (**permalink**) 25th November 2008

So if there are none of the steps you mention within one year then you will consider the conspiracy false?

Almanac · #32 (**permalink**) 25th November 2008

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Originally Posted by Seos

So if there are none of the steps you mention within one year then you will consider the conspiracy false?

No the "conspiracy" is real or "shared worldview" of a select elite if you prefer. I am just making an educated guess as to their next moves based on their own statements and in light of their now openly stated goals. Many of the above features (the legal and physical preparations) I provided links about were in place in the nineties and noughties and in all probability they would have wished to move sooner (For example former CFR president George Bush senior declared UN law superior to American law).

Seos · #33 (**permalink**) 25th November 2008

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Originally Posted by Almanac

No the "conspiracy" is real or "shared worldview" of a select elite if you prefer. I am just making an educated guess as to their next moves based on their own statements and in light of their now openly stated goals. Many of the above features (the legal and physical preparations) I provided links about were in place in the nineties and noughties and in all probability they would have wished to move sooner (For example former CFR president George Bush senior declared UN law superior to American law).

If your statement that:
"over the course of the next few months, important orchestrated events are going to be used to put the final touches in a plan which is already decades old in the unfolding"
proves false what will you believe?

Almanac · #34 (**permalink**) 25th November 2008

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Originally Posted by Seos

If your statement that:
"over the course of the next few months, important orchestrated events are going to be used to put the final touches in a plan which is already decades old in the unfolding"
proves false what will you believe?

Well that's far too definite a statement. The statements by the three CFR members (one a VP-elect) made me think that the time is approaching fast. I still believe that but I can't be certain.

They seemed fairly certain though.

..."the one thing I'm sure of is, events will test him," Council on Foreign Relations president Richard Haass said. "There will be coups. ... There will be genocide. ... There will be terrorism."

He said this in response to Biden's comments, which were confirmed by Powell who siad "Senator Biden is right... there's going to come along a crisis that we don't even know about now on the 21st or the 22nd of January."

Here's the link so you can hear what Biden said yourself:

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=rVWFUh-6mQI&feature=related" target="_blank">http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=rVWFUh-6mQI&feature=related

Why are they so absolutely certain? Why did Biden say a "generated" crisis? Why did Powell give dates? How can the CFR president predict coups unless this body plans on instigating them as they have done many times before for those who resisted the Rockefeller dynasty's pursuit of oil.

cactusflower · #35 (**permalink**) 25th November 2008

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The whole crisis in Obama's first 6 months thing is being misconstrued here, perhaps willfully. If martial law is not declared in the U.S.A. I'm sure the narrative will morph appropriately. There is a huge movement against the disfuctional economic philosophy that has landed us in the current predicament and been the facilitator of global injustice since its inception. This protest movement is made up of many differing groups who have many differing ideologies and concerns but all agree that the way humanity is being shoehorned into the Free Trade model must stop. None believe that the secret cabal that is being indicated here is planning to take over the world, ...none. None believe such a cabal exists. These concerned groups are farmers from developing economies, they are union members, they are human rights groups.

There are great challenges facing the world. Fuel shortages. Water shortages. Great troubles ahead that have been caused (not quite manufactured) by greed and a total complacency rather than greed and an overriding conspiracy. If I was from the U.S.A. I would fear the ability of two sections of my society to cooperate in the handling of these problems. The first would be the snakes that caused these problems via their own sociopathic greed and hegemonic power and the others would be the armed bloggers who think everyone is out to get them be they trying to implement gun control (which that place badly needs in my view, no matter who implements it) or collect taxes or whatever.

These narratives serve as a harmful distraction. I won't do them the disservice of blaming them for Timothy McVeigh, but if I was paranoid I'd say that this one world government conspiracy franchise (and it is a franchise as far as I'm concerned) is actually the creation of the elites. Created to make those who question the status quo and the establishment view seem less credible. I'm not that paranoid though.

Anyway, I give you guys until July, ...no, let's be generous, one year from now, and if the U.S.A. isn't under martial law I'll be back looking for explanations. (Don't worry, I'll have well forgotten by then). Lock n' Load!

I agree with your post. As well as the damage you describe, there is an anti semitic foundation to the anti-banker NWO stories. NWO material I have looked at contains a lot of very basic demonstrable inaccuracies.
Politicians like Ron Paul who foster this kind of thinking, have no viable political, social or economic alternative.

Halo · #36 (**permalink**) 25th November 2008

This is brilliant stuff and nobody has refuted it either. I think im going be on the side of the status quo from now on as this scares the life out of me. I wonder though will oil prizes go through the roof again as they did last year considering the yanks will probably invade iran?

Seos · #37 (**permalink**) 25th November 2008

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Originally Posted by Almanac

Well that's far too definite a statement. The statements by the three CFR members (one a VP-elect) made me think that the time is approaching fast. I still believe that but I can't be certain.

They seemed fairly certain though.

..."the one thing I'm sure of is, events will test him," Council on Foreign Relations president Richard Haass said. "There will be coups. ... There will be genocide. ... There will be terrorism."

He said this in response to Biden's comments, which were confirmed by Powell who siad "Senator Biden is right... there's going to come along a crisis that we don't even know about now on the 21st or the 22nd of January."

Here's the link so you can hear what Biden said yourself:

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=rVWFUh-6mQI&feature=related

Why are they so absolutely certain? Why did Biden say a "generated" crisis? Why did Powell give dates? How can the CFR president predict coups unless this body plans on instigating them as they have done many times before for those who resisted the Rockefeller dynasty's pursuit of oil.

Well why did he say "it will not be 6 months before the world tests Obama like they did John Kennedy"?

Is he not referring to how both are/where young presidents seen as doves by those who oppose American influence and therefore will be/have been tested?

Could one of these tests he's referring to not be American-Russian relations considering:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-alliance.html

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The announcement by President Dmitry Medvedev of Russia's first short-range missile deployment aimed at Western Europe the day after Barack Obama won the US presidency was interpreted by Berlin as a challenge to transatlantic relations.

This especially would explain the JFK reference would it not??

Or do you believe that JFK also faced the same peril (that you think they are going to unleash)?

Could the predictions of coups not be in the increasingly unstable Afganistan and the uncertain Iraq both of which have elections coming up?

The 20th of January is the day Obama becomes President so mentioning the 21st or 22nd could be just another way of saying he faces trouble from the second he starts his work as president.

Another reason they might be able to say with such certainty that: :"There will be coups. ... There will be genocide. ... There will be terrorism."
could be because there have been coups, genocide and terrorism in the world during almost every presidents term for a long time?

Do you consider my more innocent suggestions of what they could have meant as possible??

Almanac · #38 (**permalink**) 25th November 2008

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Originally Posted by cactusflower

I agree with your post. As well as the damage you describe, there is an anti semitic foundation to the anti-banker NWO stories. NWO material I have looked at contains a lot of very basic demonstrable inaccuracies.
Politicians like Ron Paul who foster this kind of thinking, have no viable political, social or economic alternative.

Gary Allen, I think, and certainly John Coleman documented exactly how the "anti-semitic" charge was used to silence those who sought to expose the investment bankers' control over America's finances; this wasn't difficult because some- not all- of the main families involved were Jewish- the House of Rothschild for example. Later every single smear under the sun was used against the first group- the John Birch Society- which sought to defend American sovereignty and expose the Council on Foreign Relations, its architects and its satellites. These smears were deployed with savage effectiveness by media conduits of disinformation. Yet John Birch member Gary Allen's brilliant expose 'None Dare Call It Conspiracy' sold four million copies in a number of weeks. This partly influenced Rockefeller to found a new group, the Trilateral Commission, for elite "planning for global management" involving the most powerful individuals from America, Europe and Japan- the "tri" of Trilateral.

Incidentally Larry McDonald, the most prominent and vocal critic in America of the elite "establishment" and of communism (which they cultivated at every turn) was in a Korean airliner shot down by the Soviets. A coincidence of course.

Almanac · #39 (**permalink**) 25th November 2008

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Originally Posted by Seos

Well why did he say "it will not be 6 months before the world tests Obama like they did John Kennedy"?

Is he not referring to how both are/where young presidents seen as doves by those who oppose American influence and therefore will be/have been tested?

I don't believe so. (Kennedy though discovered the price of going against the wishes of the parallel government.) In any case, this does not explain the kind of dramatic decisions Biden spoke about that would be so "unpopular" and would lead people to say, "Oh no, we didn't agree to this" or "How did this happen?" as they sink in the polls. Biden spoke about a precise and extremely negative reaction among the American public to certain decisions that he knew would be made.

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Originally Posted by Seos

Could one of these tests he's referring to not be American-Russian relations considering:
Germany tells Russian leader to respect the Nato alliance - Telegraph

Biden made a few suggestions. Maybe he doesn't even know himself yet. His job is just to deliver the message, to prepare the American people, to soften them up, and to make it appear that this was a leak, even though Powell openly and assuredly confirmed it.

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Originally Posted by Seos

The 20th of January is the day Obama becomes President so mentioning the 21st or 22nd could be just another way of saying he faces trouble from the second he starts his work as president.

I considered this naturally and it may be so. But if you listen to it, it doesn't sound like it. Why the second day? I'm certainly not saying the "crisis" will occur on those days. I believe though it's probable that it will occur in the timeline suggested by Biden, within the first six months. "I guarantee you... Mark my words, mark my words. If you remember nothing else remember this." He seemed pretty definite.

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Originally Posted by Seos

Another reason they might be able to say with such certainty that: :"There will be coups. ... There will be genocide. ... There will be terrorism."
could be because there have been coups, genocide and terrorism in the world during almost every presidents term for a long time?

Yet another strange prophecy Powell made was that Obama would be a "transitional president"- transition to what?

Yes there certainly have been wars, coups and genocide in the course of American presidencies- many of which were orchestrated by the CIA, especially in Africa and the Middle East.

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Originally Posted by Seos

Do you consider my more innocent suggestions of what they could have meant as possible??

Not really. They were both sending a message and attempting to soften people up. At the very least, America will enter or start a new war. The wars are, of course, not only to secure oil markets for the controlling interests but to emphasise the need for a world government to secure world peace.

It's important to emphasise that America- and least of all the American people- is not principally responsible for all this but rather the internationalists / globalists who control America.

Almanac · #40 (**permalink**) 25th November 2008

The international counterpart of the sovereignty-undermining internationalist Council on Foreign Relations is the Bildebergers.
The express purpose of the Bildeberger group is to regionalise Europe as a step to world government, their long-term goal. Giovanni Agnelli, head of Fiat and a Bildeberger leader, testified that: "We hope to achieve European integration... where the politicians have failed." George McGhee, former US Ambassador to Germany, also revealed that the Treaty of Rome was nurtured in Bildeberger meetings.

Prince Bernhard of Holland (and Royal Dutch Shell Oil Company) was the Bildebergers' first chairman; he openly declared that the purpose of the Bildeberger conferences was to achieve world government. Other prominent members included Monnet's close collaborator, former Belgium Prime Minister, Paul-Henry Spaak and, of course, our friend Giscard d'Estaing.

Monnet himself was a fervent internationalist, first secretary general of the League of Nations; he departed in frustration at the inability of it to function (govern) due to the national veto. But with an assembly, secretariat and cabinet, the League of Nations was intended to be a world government. Monnet used it as a model for the EU.
Goldman Sachs front man, Peter Sutherland, gave the keynote address at a Bildeberger meeting a few years back on the subject of a "Global Summit" and the necessity for dissolving national sovereignties. On these shores he diplomatically calls it "pooling."

Europhile Garret Fitzgerald is also a Bildeberger attendee as is Dermot Gleeson, and more recently John Bruton.

That is, these prominent public figures- whose views on Lisbon and the presently structured EU are well known- are members of an ultra secretive organisation whose goal is the bringing about of a one world government (which will be a puppet in the hands of the investment bankers who want global domination of markets).

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