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The coming "crisis" and American totalitarianism

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"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

Were these presidents lying through their teeth or were they clinically insane or were they perhaps simply better informed than you are and telling the truth?

Those few families with their allies remain in control today. For example, Nicholas Rockefeller is carrying out the plans of his uncle David Rockefeller who himself, along with his now deceased brothers, continued the "legacy" of their father, John D Rockefeller, a legacy which included striving for financial, and eventually political, domination of the world.
when and where did Wilson say this?
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when and where did Wilson say this?
The Woodrow Wilson Presidential Library: Learn at the Library - Additional Information: Woodrow Wilson Quotes
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That was with regard to the founding of the Federal Reserve yeah?


Yeah it's quite interesting, we'll see if it comes to pass. I don't believe there should be any doubt that it will some day happen, but I'm not convinced it is just around the corner. I do wonder though if Obama's popularity may be used as a screen to temper dissent, possibly. Only time will tell.

I do have to say that the "Conspiracy nuts" scored one with the NAU, once a fairy tale now it is fact. These are interesting times.
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pretty heavily edited, huh?

"A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men who, even if their action be honest and intended for the public interest, are necessarily concentrated upon the great undertakings in which their own money is involved and who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom."
Excerpt from 1912 campaign speech
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American Totalitarianism? Obama was elected right? Somehow i don't see him going down this route.
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Well what the hell was JPK talking about on February 12, 1960: "The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings... we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations"

And was Franklin Roosevelt lying when he stated that: "A financial element in the large centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson."

And was Wilson a conspiracy nutjob when he wrote: "Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U.S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."

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"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

Were these presidents lying through their teeth or were they clinically insane or were they perhaps simply better informed than you are and telling the truth?

Those few families with their allies remain in control today. For example, Nicholas Rockefeller is carrying out the plans of his uncle David Rockefeller who himself, along with his now deceased brothers, continued the "legacy" of their father, John D Rockefeller, a legacy which included striving for financial, and eventually political, domination of the world.
These quotes are without context. I doubt you could actually source me the original context and can only source me one of those 'scary quote' sites. Any one of these people could be talking about the very public cartels (not secret societies) like the Carlyle group for example, that swoop down and buy up the ashes of failed ventures. There is nothing so secret about the abominable cross pollination of lobbyists, policy makers, arms traders, and bankers. There is no need for a secret society headed up by Blofeld or Dracula or whoever would be most exciting. This is a fantasy for people who don't find real world machinations interesting enough. Have you ever heard of the journalist Greg Palast? (Please don't do a 30 second Google and denounce him as a disinfo agent) He has joined the dots in a less erraticly random, and far more robust and credible way, than anyone in Alex Jones' gang. He's done the research and gone undercover etc.

Here's a link to a piece on lobbying:

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Nod, wink, back-hander, mutual back scratching, that's about a secret as it gets. the stakes are big I agree but I do not agree that there are a handful of dynasties etc. that want to control the world.

The only quote above that is cause for concern is the first one (from scaryquote.com no doubt) by Wilson. However, I could just as easily argue that he is talking about a secret cabal of Doctor Who monsters.
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That was with regard to the founding of the Federal Reserve yeah?


Yeah it's quite interesting, we'll see if it comes to pass. I don't believe there should be any doubt that it will some day happen, but I'm not convinced it is just around the corner. I do wonder though if Obama's popularity may be used as a screen to temper dissent, possibly. Only time will tell.

I do have to say that the "Conspiracy nuts" scored one with the NAU, once a fairy tale now it is fact. These are interesting times.
You may be right there. But all the pieces are in place. The only thing that holds them back is public opinion. The NAU has not been created yet, just its trade agreement precursor. I believe Obama may use the manufactured crisis as an excuse to go ahead with the NAU.

What is amazing is that CFR members Biden and Powell have spoken openly about what they're planning and had their predictions confirmed by the CFR president himself and yet no one is listening.
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pretty heavily edited, huh?

"A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men who, even if their action be honest and intended for the public interest, are necessarily concentrated upon the great undertakings in which their own money is involved and who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom."
Excerpt from 1912 campaign speech
There appears to be some doubt about that one quotation from Wilson. But, as you know, there can be little doubt about the many others contained here:

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American Totalitarianism? Obama was elected right? Somehow i don't see him going down this route.
Obama will do exactly what he's told to do. Just as those presidents who have preceded him did what they were told to do- whether Democratic or Republican. Why do you think he's now in favour of war with Iran? Read Perloff's 'The Council of Foreign Relations and the American Decline' or watch the preceding videos or read the info on the opening link.

As a candidate Reagan raged against the internationalists in the Council on Foreign Relations (who have occupied as much as 50% of cabinet seats) and its off-spring the Trilateral Commission yet as president he appointed many to key positions- because he learned where the power really lies. He also undoubtedly became aware of the ruthlessness with which these internationalists deal with anyone or any country that stands in their way.

Guerzino, a close friend of murdered Prime Minister of Italy, Moro, swore in open court that CFR member Kissinger had threatened him during his visit to the US. Moro's wife also stated the same and members of the gang who carried out the murder, the Red Brigades, testified that knew of high level US involvement in the plot to kill Moro. All of this was reported widely in the Italian and European press yet the mainstream American media failed to carry the story. The Washington Post and the New York Times failed to carry a single line of the incriminating testimonies. The fact that the long-running CFR president, David Rockefeller, owns most of these media outlets speaks for itself as does the fact that all the heads are also members of the CFR.

Kissinger said to Moro, "Either you desist from your political line or you will pay dearly for it." This was taken to be a reference either to Moro's coalition partners or the fact that Moro was maintaining a Catholic Christian ethos as PM.
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He has joined the dots in a less erraticly random, and far more robust and credible way, than anyone in Alex Jones' gang. He's done the research and gone undercover etc.
Do you consider the Council on Foreign Relations and its offspring, the Trilateral Commission (founded by Rockefeller) and its international counterpart, the Bildebergers, real or the stuff of fantasy?

Do you find the security precautions taken to ensure the Bildeberger meetings remain confidential normal? Is it because they are discussing cricket or something perhaps a little more controversial?

I agree that Alex Jones is somewhat of a liability in the sense that while his information is correct and he has exposed the threat, he at the same time, in true American fashion, has commercialised it and turned it into a business. Absolutely crazy as it makes people like yourself and myself think the whole thing is nonsense, the product of fevered American imagination. I wish it was.

I do not have by nature a "conspiratorial" mentality. Neither I imagine does the renowned Georgetown historian Carroll Quigley who spoke openly about a conspiracy- which he seemed to think was benevolent. Neither does former Research Fellow at Stanford University, Antony Sutton. It was the evidence that convinced him, nothing else. He exhaustively documented the activities of the elite in three books.
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