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Zbigniew Brzezinski was a former professor of international relations at Harvard and Columbia Universities (1960–77), President Carter's national security adviser (1977–81), and a prominent Council on Foreign Relations member.

He was the author of Between Two Ages (1970) in which he wrote:

"The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities."

Where was he coming from with this? Well he also wrote, "Though Stalinism may have been a needless tragedy for both the Russian people and communism as an ideal, there is the intellectually tantalizing possibility that for the world at large it was, as we shall see, a blessing in disguise."
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No surprise that the Man of Peace, Obama, has decided that tens of thousands more troops are necessary in Afghanistan. This will bring the number to nearly 100,000. He is to give a televised address next Tuesday to the American people explaining why he's sending them.

Obama to tell US why more Afghan troops necessary - The Irish Times - Thu, Nov 26, 2009

The crosshairs meanwhile continue to be trained on Iran with Germany's foreign minister joining in the rhetoric:

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“We are open to dialogue with Iran and we want to find a solution through dialogue, but at the same time . . . our patience is not going to last forever,” Guido Westerwelle told a joint news conference with International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei.
Not a word about the rogue Middle Eastern state armed with between 250 and 500 thermonuclear weapons though. The state which has attempted to develop ethno-specific biological weapons, as reported by The Sunday Times. The state which has, among other war crimes, already launched biological and chemical weapons against civilians, such as the mass phosphorus attacks rained down on Palestinians during the last invasion.

Iran has been subjected to the same hypocritical treatment as Iraq. Only yesterday The irish Times also reported the following from the Iraq inquiry:

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SECRET INTELLIGENCE was received by Britain in the days before the Iraq invasion was launched in 2003, indicating Saddam Hussein had destroyed chemical weapons of mass destruction, the Iraq inquiry was told yesterday.

Sir William Ehrman, a senior foreign office figure, said: “We were getting, in the very final days before military action, some intelligence on chemical and biological weapons – that it was dismantled and that Iraq might not have the munitions to deliver it.”

The disclosure on the second day of the inquiry will strengthen the belief of those who have argued the Americans and British had no legal grounds to invade.
Britain knew Iraq destroyed weapons but proceeded to invade, inquiry told - The Irish Times - Thu, Nov 26, 2009
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A civilisation assumes shared values, norms, institutions, modes of thinking; it's a "cultural area", "a collection of cultural characteristics and phenomena"; the sharing of ties of blood, of language, religion and way of life; according to various theorists cited by Samuel Huntington (a neo-imperialist propagandist who laid the theoretical foundations for the war on terror).

Seven major contemporary civilisations are ususally identified: Sinic (Chinese), Japanese, Hindu, Islamic, Orthodox, Western, Latin American, African.

Spengler believed civilisations are like individuals: they are born, mature and die. Toynbee’s theory of civlisation was challenge and response. Civilisations develop in response to the challenges of the environment. They die when the people eventually lose their creativity. Quigley listed seven stages of civilisation: mixture, gestation, expansion, age of conflict, universal empire, decay, invasion.

Our civilisation, Western civilisation, has become American civilisation, which is in its final stage of development, the age of universal empire, which will be succeeded by the stages of decay and invasion. The signs of decay are already everywhere. The US has exported its own anti-values, a culture of death, of abortion and population control, of degenerate sexuality and mindless hedonism, all over the world, yet many parts have been able to resist this cultural imperialism even while lacking the means to oppose the US’s militaristic imperialism.

Their oppression will end. With dwindling populations hovering below replacement level, with a culture that lacks any basic moral compass, with despair and meaninglessness so pervasive, Western civilisation, led by America is disintegrating.

Spengler wrote in The Decline of the West, that Western civilisation is dying and will be replaced by a new Asian civilisation.

I don’t think that’s going to happen. But the Tower of Babel is certainly going to fall.
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Rhonda your fears just don't stand up to proper scrutiny. For a start this man is making a living by pandering to, and feeding on, ordinary peoples fears and feelings of helplessness. This man is nothing more than a charlatan, a con man, a new age jesus. For as many links as you can provide to prove his claims, I can provide one that counters it. Here is one just for a start .

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Listen to what that conman is saying Rhonda, and compare it to your own experience of the real world and you will see that it just is not possible.
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Zbigniew Brzezinski was a former professor of international relations at Harvard and Columbia Universities (1960–77), President Carter's national security adviser (1977–81), and a prominent Council on Foreign Relations member.

He was the author of Between Two Ages (1970) in which he wrote:

"The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities."

Where was he coming from with this? Well he also wrote, "Though Stalinism may have been a needless tragedy for both the Russian people and communism as an ideal, there is the intellectually tantalizing possibility that for the world at large it was, as we shall see, a blessing in disguise."
Where are you coming from?..the two statements are completely disconnected..you are trying to connect a rather obvious prediction from the seventies with an opinion that history has shown to be false.
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Er... how do you link Glen Beck with Adolf Hitler?
That was admittedly a bit of exaggeration on my part.
Polarisation penetrating US culture - The Irish Times - Sat, Nov 28, 2009
I guess what I am saying is that, with the Republican party in disarray, it falls to people like Glenn Beck who are given a public platform (a 'news' channel, though I use the term news lightly) to set the agenda of the right wing. That's just plain scary - even if a politician held some of the same views as Beck, he probably wouldn't voice them in public for fear of scaring off moderate Republicans. Beck has no such worry. He advocates elaborate conspiracies of socialist origin, and regularly compares Obama's gov't to Stalinist Russia.
This guy is presented as a serious commentator, on a (un)fair and (im)balanced 'news' channel. That's scary.

Fox is very popular. Now we know that it is completely biased, but if someone over in America relies primarily on Fox for their news, then that will influence thier view of the world. That to me is not just irresponsible - it's downright criminal.
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Fox is very popular. Now we know that it is completely biased, but if someone over in America relies primarily on Fox for their news, then that will influence thier view of the world. That to me is not just irresponsible - it's downright criminal.
And what about people who get their 'news' from Keith Olbermann?
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And what about people who get their 'news' from Keith Olbermann?
good point ... I suppose I am just more receptive to Olbermann. But still, I'll stand by his assessment of Beck's little conspiracy theory - it's just nuts. But I wonder how many people think that there is a left wing conspiracy in Washington now?
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That was admittedly a bit of exaggeration on my part.

I guess what I am saying is that, with the Republican party in disarray, it falls to people like Glenn Beck who are given a public platform (a 'news' channel, though I use the term news lightly) to set the agenda of the right wing. That's just plain scary - even if a politician held some of the same views as Beck, he probably wouldn't voice them in public for fear of scaring off moderate Republicans. Beck has no such worry. He advocates elaborate conspiracies of socialist origin, and regularly compares Obama's gov't to Stalinist Russia.

This guy is presented as a serious commentator, on a (un)fair and (im)balanced 'news' channel. That's scary.

Fox is very popular. Now we know that it is completely biased, but if someone over in America relies primarily on Fox for their news, then that will influence thier view of the world. That to me is not just irresponsible - it's downright criminal.
Do you know any of the background to the issues that Beck discusses? I mean in depth.
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Nov. 28 (Bloomberg) -- Mark Pittman, the award-winning investigative reporter whose fight to open the Federal Reserve to more scrutiny led Bloomberg News to sue the central bank and win, died Nov. 25 in Yonkers, New York. He was 52.

Pittman suffered from heart-related illnesses. The precise cause of his death wasn’t known, said his friend William Karesh, vice president of the Global Health Program at the Bronx, New York-based Wildlife Conservation Society.

A former police-beat reporter who joined Bloomberg News in 1997, Pittman wrote stories in 2007 predicting the collapse of the banking system. That year, he won the Gerald Loeb Award from the UCLA Anderson School of Management, the highest accolade in financial journalism, for “Wall Street’s Faustian Bargain,” a series of articles on the breakdown of the U.S. mortgage industry.

“He was one of the great financial journalists of our time,” said Joseph Stiglitz, a professor at Columbia University in New York and the winner of the 2001 Nobel Prize for economics. “His death is shocking.”

Mark Pittman, Reporter Who Foresaw Subprime Crisis, Dies at 52 - Bloomberg.com

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