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Was 9/11 a terrorist attack?

This is a discussion on Was 9/11 a terrorist attack? within the Foreign Affairs forums, part of the Topical Discussion category on Politics.ie. Originally Posted by Libertysmudge You dont build buildings like that on dodgey foundations man, they are built to withstand terror ...
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You dont build buildings like that on dodgey foundations man, they are built to withstand terror attacks, earthquakes, etc.

Even if that was the case, how could it just fall on its on footprint? It would have to topple or fall off to one side.
Why would a building 'topple or fall off to one side'?

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Instead there was nothing left of anything, just doesnt make sense.
There was quite a bit of a million tonnes of debris...

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Bin Laden past CIA record is enough to get you questioning.
And what CIA record is this?
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Conor the Bold, You seem to frequent the threads which include stuff about 'conspiracy theories' around the world.
Are you really based in GCHQ in Cheltenham? Are you really a paid Shill? Have you any other interests other than debunking 'conspiracy theories' on P.ie???
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And what CIA record is this?
Bin Laden's CIA record:

Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Notice this link for Tim Osman is for OBL. Type in Tim Osman in the search box of Wiki and see what comes up.

Seeing as you work on Her Majesty's Service in the murky world of British Intelligence at GCHQ Cheltenham, perhaps you might check out Tim Osman's file for us on the public server.
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Conor the Bold, You seem to frequent the threads which include stuff about 'conspiracy theories' around the world.
Are you really based in GCHQ in Cheltenham? Are you really a paid Shill? Have you any other interests other than debunking 'conspiracy theories' on P.ie???
What do you facking think?
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Im not in the habit of asking questions for which I already know the answer!
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Bin Laden's CIA record:

Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Notice this link for Tim Osman is for OBL. Type in Tim Osman in the search box of Wiki and see what comes up.

Seeing as you work on Her Majesty's Service in the murky world of British Intelligence at GCHQ Cheltenham, perhaps you might check out Tim Osman's file for us on the public server.
So no record at all then?

Why exactly would the CIA, whose Congress mandated money was being distrubuted by the ISI would have any interest in an Arab is actualy beyond me... There was about 250'000 Mujaheddin. Of those, less than 2000 were arabs.

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The story about bin Laden and the CIA -- that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden -- is simply a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn't have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn't have needed to. Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently. The real story here is the CIA did not understand who Osama was until 1996, when they set up a unit to really start tracking him.
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It was always galling to the Americans, and I can understand their point of view, that although they paid the piper they could not call the tune. The CIA supported the mujahideen by spending the taxpayers' money, billions of dollars of it over the years, on buying arms, ammunition, and equipment. It was their secret arms procurement branch that was kept busy. It was, however, a cardinal rule of Pakistan's policy that no Americans ever become involved with the distribution of funds or arms once they arrived in the country. No Americans ever trained or had direct contact with the mujahideen, and no American official ever went inside Afghanistan.
Allegations of CIA assistance to Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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So no record at all then?

Why exactly would the CIA, whose Congress mandated money was being distrubuted by the ISI would have any interest in an Arab is actualy beyond me... There was about 250'000 Mujaheddin. Of those, less than 2000 were arabs.





Allegations of CIA assistance to Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So CIA record?



It is the case that the west did give direct training to "afghan Arabs" in the 80s. Quite probably some of these Arabs later joined Al Qaeda.


It's understandable that people now want to deny these links. It is true that the British ran training camps for the Arabs in Oman, using ex-SAS men. Reportedly 10,000 were trained, not all fought in Afghanistan, but later these Arabs caused chaos in Pakistan, Algeria, Egypt, Sudan and Chechnya. You're asking for trouble if you give special forces training to thousands of young angry Arabs.

The Algerian civil war was especially savage, with a terrible body count, and the west must take much of the blame.
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Nice and irrelevant Breadan.

We're taling about CIA links to 'Tim Osman'.
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Brzezinski and Tim Osman AKA OBL.

As in Barack Obama's Boss and OBL.



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Brzezinski and Tim Osman AKA OBL.

As in Barack Obama's Boss and OBL.

YouTube - Good Morning America learns that Bin Laden is CIA
Sorry, what the hell are we looking at exactly?
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