John Quinterre said that NIST agreed to consider other collapse scenarios but in their final report none of these scenarios were touched on. In other words to put it into plain English for you, NIST decided on how the towers collapsed in advance and then set about finding evidence to support this. They did not have an open mind as to the collapse, the first rule of investigation is an open mind and follow all lines of enquiry.

I repeat the fires in the twin towers were no more than office fires. I only relayed what the NIST report said and hence you are actually accusing the NIST authors of 'clear sophistry'.

You see Conor you tie yourself up in knots and you don't seem to know how to argue properly. When someone presents for example an excerpt from the NIST report you reject it immediately....it's laughable really the holes you dig for yourself.

I am getting tired arguing with you, I will however continue to post information for the benefit of others. AS for you, you admit yourself you are a neo-con and neo-cons are proven liars so I don't expect less from you.

For the benefit of others, only a couple of the outer steel columns suffered any significant heat problems on 9/11. That leaves over 200 outer steal columns suffering no heat problems and the inner columns suffering no heat damage.

The building was 95% or higher intact and NIST has been widely discredited by fire experts. Indeed most of the official 9/11 story has been widely discredited by professors of physics, professors of fire science, experts in demolition and explosives, experts in aeronautical flying, experts in building design, including steel building design and remember those who designed the twin towers were foremost experts in the field and designed it to take a hit from multiple airliners, and many many more experts.

Conor is an expert in, from what I can gather fridges! When your fridge fails, go to Conor. When a building fails, would you still go to Conor, or take the word of independent experts, as I do.

Well done you . An entire post without calling someone a name . Youve gone up in my estimation . Now that wasnt so hard was it ?

* edit "You're an idiot..." says Conor

Aw cmon Conor ! Im tryin to help u here . You couldnt even let my post be true for 10 seconds !

Firstly you asked the loaded question to set the parameters that there was only two scenarios, either they took control of the cockpit or they controlled the passengers as well, and that justified there only being five ‘hijackers’ with knives who took control of the cockpit. It had to be either/or, and I wasn’t getting sucked into it. Furthermore I did clarify it in my last post, which you haven't acknowledged.

Firstly I didn’t say that the passengers would rise up and seize power, I said they could have and the supposed terrorists didn't allow for this, secondly I didn’t say it was impossible I said that you are assuming that’s what happened and thirdly I don’t know what point you are trying to make about Flight 11 pilots.

Again it was the FIRST hijacking.

Well they had a lot of ‘luck’ that day didn’t they?

Did they make any announcements about having a bomb? and there’s nothing to back up what the flight attendant supposedly said, furthermore it was supposedly reported much later and there was no reference to it by Ong.

Won’t acknowledge that you kept referring to knives only?

Still won’t acknowledge your ludicrous answer to this?

You really are a troll, you’re the one who kept referring to hijackings with knives only and ignoring the bomb threats in your links. You’re the one who refuses to acknowledge that the passengers in coach wouldn’t know there was a hijacking and in the other links you provided the hijackers ANOUNCED they had a bomb.

Really, and that’s backed up by?

Yes the suspicious transmission that only they heard and didn’t tell anyone about... hmm a lot strange coincidences between the two flights.

Eh you were making the point that they knew all about the hijacking and it didn’t help them so what was the point in the 'hijackers' not allowing the attendants talk to the ground.

Yes for their keys apparently.

By the way, some people forget, this was the first time for all the supposed hijacker pilots to fly passenger jets. The first time! And yet for example the flight into the pentagon was so difficult and at such a flight path that it would challenge the most experienced of pilots.

So first time to fly a plane and they perform a maneouvre that a pilot with years and decades of experience would struggle and probably fail to perform. Come on!

No no, you see the barbarians took lessons. Mind you they skipped the take-off and landing bit, so that left them with plenty of simulator time to practice crashing into things.
The WTC was one of the tallest buildings on the planet and the Pentagon was / is the largest office building on earth. Anyway what would you know about the skills of pilots with years of experience ?

It took some pilot training to not only pull of those maneuvers successfully but to also for some of them to survive their own kamikaze attacks. Is the Houdini school of suicide flyers still in existence?

Who survived?

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start at 47 seconds in for details.

Right, back under the bridge now!

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Best not, it alleged to be the mythical abode of the sort of pathetic creatures who’d pose a question under the pretense of participating in debate, but really does so only with the intention of duly throwing insults at the respondent, minus in some cases, any sense of the irony of the jibe it uses.