What's the big deal? Everyone knows what Mossad got up to then. There's been a Hollywood film about how they tracked down the perpetrators of the Olympic Village killings and assasinated them in other countries. They also admit that they killed an innocent person by mistake, and question the morality of what they did. Suppose the only alternative was to invade the Arab countries supporting the terrorosts?

Killing Hamas/Black September/PLO whatever activists is not terrorism. It is assasination. What happened at Munich was terrorism.

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"If the Germans land in Ireland they will be welcomed as liberators".

There's a massive difference between taking out one guy, (they didn't kill a ferry load of people), and being involved in a co-ordinated attack on an allied state, the world's greatest superpower, which killed thousands of innocents, some Jewish.

You are comparing a mountain to a molehill here.

America is definately under attack. A number of planes switch off their transponders and 2 slam into the Twin towers.

Fine. Going from memory, Andrews Air Force base in 5 miles from the Pentagon. The Air traffic controllers can see all the planes in the sky with their transponders ON. If they can look on their radar screens they'll notice a plane in the sky going in an unscheduled flight path with its transponder switched off because the can see all the others. They have 35 mins before impacting the Pentagon. It takes about 8 mins max to have a plane in the air to intercept.

So the plane comes in , does a manouvre that is physically impossible for a 757 to do. The software in the plane wont let you do it. The plane would break up when subjected to the forces as was given by the flight data recorder.

However, the data recorders final moments records no hit on the pentagon and positions itself in a different location to where the the poles were knocked over as the 757 hit the building.

But Osama told the US Govt not to release the footage from the Hundreds of security cameras positioned in the area to keep the intrigue going for us out here.

Osama made sure he was able to prevent the Pentagons missile defense system from shooting his 757 down.
What a guy to mastermind all that from a cave in Afghanistan. Maybe when Norm Mineta testified to the 911 Commission that he overheard "sir its 50 miles out, sir its 30 miles out, sir its 10 miles out, do the orders still stand?" When Cheney barked "of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything different?" .. It kind of all makes sense when you see what happened to the Pentagon.

All the Russians have to do is reconstruct or smuggle a Nuclear missle inside the US, probably through Canada, charter a private Boeing 757, fit it with the correct software to fly automatically, wheel the missile on board , get airbourne, switch off the Transponder (remotely) as they approach DC, activate the warhead and decapitate the regime.

Tell me why couldnt the Russians do that today?

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I haven't seen any allegation that Mossad actually carried out the attack, just the rumour that they didn't pass on information that they had that such an attack was likely. I have no idea whether or not such rumours are true. I am of course aware that Israel's enemies are not above black propaganda, no more than the Israelis themselves, but I do not see the allegation as obviously unbelievable.

Firefighter Schroeder recollects in great detail how he was one of the first firefighters to rush to the complex.
“We first assembled on West Street, where we saw someone burnt beyond recognition. We were like ‘What is going on here?’ and then went straight into the Marriot building” From there, Firefighter Schroeder made his way to the lobby of the North Tower. “It looked like a bomb went off, and we started making our way up the stairs to rescue as many people as we could.”


As they were making there way up the floors, Firefighter Schroeder heard a huge explosion. “The elevators just blew right out. We couldn’t believe it. The plane hits 80 floors up but the elevators explode at least five minutes later? It was unreal.”

Firefighter Schroeder made it all the way up to the 23rd floor before barely hearing on the failing radios that another plane was coming in. That plane would hit the South Tower though for some reason “We were tossed like a rag doll by another explosion in our building. People were making there way down the stairwells burnt like you couldn’t believe. We were all shocked because it seemed as if there was fire everywhere, on so many floors. It just didn’t make sense”.

The stairwells were black, and at that point, firefighters were making the decision to head back down stairs. In making there way down to the third floor, they were not able to find an exit. “The lobby was like a war zone. We could not find our way out. Then, all of a sudden, one of the maintenance workers had a key that opened a back door that got us out of there. He saved my life.” That worker was Willie Rodriguez. “I want to thank him from the bottom of my heart.

Firefighter Schroeder today has lost 40% of his lung capacity. “We haven’t been treated properly at all. From the day of the attack, our physical and mental health has deteriorated and it seems as if no one cares. To lose friends, to have to recover their bodies in the days after, to be offered no protections against that horrific-smelling dust that was everywhere even though the government said the air was OK to breathe is just not right.”

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When Flight 77's transponder was switched off (8:56), it was almost at the western edge of West Virginia (not far from where W.Va, Ohio and Kentucky all meet.

When that happened, it was on no-one's primary radar. Not Andrews Airforce (several hundred miles away), nor anyone else's.
here is a pretty-good breakdown of the timeline. While its easy to look at the events of the day with hindsight, we must remember that these people only operated with what was known while this was happening....which was very little, and very fragmented.


IKt did no such thing. It did a manouvre which is not considered safe flying practice for a 757 but which is well within its capabilities.

Only when their data is misread by someone who doesn't understand how FDRs work accurately.


There is no missile defense system in the Pentagon.

More accurately - there is no evidence of one ever being installed, nor evidence of one ever being used. There is evidence, however, that on occasion when it has been decided that the Pentagon has needed missile-defence that portable units were brought in because there is no MDS at the Pentagon.

The alleged existence of such a system is pure fiction, dreamed up by conspiracy theorists. The only documentation which ever suggests the existence of these systems are the very ones saying that it wasn't used in 911!!!


It would be easier to just smuggle it through the ports (where 99% of freight is uninspected), then ship it by land to the middle of a city and detonate it.

Why would the Russians want to do that today?
Last time I checked, the Cold War was over and the US and Russia were getting along just fine.

What the hell? This is a discussion of the 9/11 attacks, and the claim that the Joooos did it. Those who allege that Israel was behind the attacks are primarily rabid anti-Jewish crypto-Nazis, as those pages demonstrate. This has nothing to do with mere criticism of the State of Israel, and, for the record, most of the 'truthers' decrying the Joooos theories would hardly be seen as 'friends of Israel'.

There is plenty of truth in the rumour that Mossad had information on a likely attack in the US. That is why there was a delegation from Mossad in the US at the time of the attacks, having meetings with US Intel forces trying to convince them of that possibility. There is a newspaper report from the Daily Telegraph here

In strict etymology terms, ignoring the origins of the word completely, 'antisemitism' can be interpreted as being directed against all Semitic Peoples. It is never used in such form, however, and has in practice always been used to refer to hostility towards Jews as a religious, racial, or ethnic group.

The term antisemitism was coined by a Jewish writer in the 1860s, referring to the racial theories of Heinrich von Treitschke, who postulated that Aryans were naturally superior to Semites. For von Treitschke, as most of his ilk, the term Semite was utterly synonymous with Jew, thus antisemitism referred to Jew-hatred.

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yes, we should just allow zionism wreck ME countries and cause more and more- often muslim and radicalised- immigration into Europe without a much as a titter? how much longer do think that kite will fly for?

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Real conservatives recognise that neocons aren't.

And with one quick move the mask slips.

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it's a fair cop: from a fan of Icke to fan of Eichmann in one post!

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Real conservatives recognise that neocons aren't.