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AFP: Iran anniversary 'punch' will stun West: Khamenei

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But given the dominance of Usrael in the region i cannot see Iran throwing it's weight around in the region much as Saddam had with Kuwait (and probably believed his former good relationship with the US protected him then) even if they were to acquire a few nukes, even if they obtained them i truly believe that nowhere else in history would the motive for acquiring nukes have been based on deterrence more than then.

We really have almost no concept of the Islamic mindset, Islamic culture or modern Islamic history... we also have almost no concept of how it is that Islam truly sees the west...

The reference to materialism in the speech is taken by us to refer to something vague like mini-skirts and Pepsi-Co. Not so...

Materialism can be understood as a central tenet of Communism. Have a look at this documentary, which was funded by the UEN Group in the European Parliament:

The Soviet Story - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Trailer:


The entire film can be found on the various video and file sharing sites/servers.

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Iran probably does not have ICBM's! But it is trying to make them. Iran frequently tests new missiles for the cameras. Launching missiles from an ocean platform requires additional know-how and technologies that Iran would have to develop. If Iran did develop a missile capable of hitting the USA and a nuclear devise, even though they would probably never physically use either of them, they could use them as intimidation tool in international diplomacy. Thus giving them more leverage in diplomatic affairs.

A small missile shield in Eastern Europe is a pretty pathetic attempt at bullying. How would a missile shield prevent Russia selling the Iranians weapons exactly? There is no strategic alliance or anything between to two places, just business transactions; the Iranians buy the Russians weapons.
New Technologies are going to be developed and move around the world regardless of what anyone wants. As for 'surprising' developments in the capability of this missile shield technology, there won't be any; in a few decades it will just be another obsolete piece of military junk. Infinitely cheaper more reliable ways of doing the same thing will have been developed and adopted.

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Here is the original version -there seems to be a lot of rehashing/copyright issues on youtube:

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So you are saying that modern Islamic World thinks we are all Communists? That we wish to expunge class and make them all buy Pepsi-Cola?

When you say we, what exactly do you mean, who is we?

Could you clarify your point Mouroux?

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When the gibberatic Ahmadinejad promised this I wasn't so concerned... now I am

Iran warns it will 'punch' the West on Islamic revolution anniversary - Telegraph
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran's supreme leader, has said that the country was set to deliver a "punch" that will stun world powers during this week's 31st anniversary of the Islamic revolution.

Now either

1) Ahmadinejad is pregnant with Ali Khamenei's baby
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2) Nuclear
Or
3) Dragons... contact with ET ... ?

cYp

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I reckon he means materialism as in a focus on materials, which both capitalism and Marxism have in common. Not all communists are materialists, but most Marxists are. I think (some of) the Islamic world sees this focus as being misplaced and that we should think less about materials and more about the more important things, like spirituality and community (and I suppose, serving god in their case). Funnily enough I agree with him in this analysis.

There is no probably about it.

If Iran wanted the effect of an ICBM it has only to load a launcher into the load of a merchant ship, sail the ship within range and launch the missile/s when it finds suitable current. Theres nothing complicated about doing that.



The Russians look at the shield as a first strike threat.

There is a strategic alliance. At least an unspoken one. S-300's by themselves make it strategical. Aside from that Russia has UN Veto and can probably influence the use of airbases critical to an assault on Tehran.

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We means whatever the reader perceives it to mean I suppose -what does anyone mena when they say 'we', or 'you' or 'I' for that matter? 'We' are all posting on an Irish politics website (Ireland is considered to be a western country and the Irish people are considered to be a western people and generally subscribe to the Anglo-american geo-political world-view) --we are also all English speakers... so based on all of that I would hope that 'we' holds meaning for you. Now if everyone produced a paragraph of explanatory text on every ocassion the term 'we' was used... but you asked!

Have you watched the documentary?

Mainstream Islam --purportedly represented by the leadership in Iran-- does NOT equate the 'west' with Pepsi Co., etc. etc. It's not all ice-coolers and brightly lit shopping malls. 'Materialism' (refer back to my first post in this thread), it is alleged, has much darker and explicitly evil connotations, not just in theory or the classroom but in practice -leading, in actual fact, to the extermination of tens of millions of people in, variously, Russia, Eastern Europe, China, etc. etc. Both materialism and darwinism were core aspects of the various Fascist and Communist regimes. The element of materialism is also, again allegedly, a core aspect of modernity --and this tends to be seen as a positive from within current western culture (consider 'progressive' -again, refer back to my initial post and especially the documentary) but as a negative from an Islamic perspective (in the context of various conflicts, recent past and present, between west and middle-east).

Hope this meets your clinical/exacting standards of clarity and that you are now no longer purporting to be utterly confused.

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