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Interesting article debunking the myth of Islam taking over Europe.

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To listen to Europe's far right, it would be easy to conclude that the continent is poised for another round of bitter conflict with a centuries-old adversary. "The first Islamic invasion of Europe was stopped at [the battle of] Poitiers in 732. The second was halted at the gates of Vienna in 1683. Now we have to stop the current stealth invasion," argues Geert Wilders, the leader of the Dutch Party for Freedom, which claims that Islamic doctrine encourages terrorism.
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The rise of a Eurabia is predicated on limited and dubious evidence. A much-cited 2004 study from the U.S. National Intelligence Council outlines a number of possible scenarios. Its most aggressive is that the number of Muslims in Europe could increase from roughly 20 million today—about 5 percent of the population—to 38 million by 2025. But that projection turns out to be attributed to "diplomatic and media reporting as well as government, academic, and other sources." In other words, it's all speculation based on speculation—and even if it's accurate, it would still mean the number of Muslims will represent just 8 percent of the European population, estimated by the EU to be 470 million in 2025. Indeed, if there is a surge ahead, its scale looks overstated. "There is a quite deliberate exaggeration, as has often been pointed out—but the figures are still being cited," says Jytte Klausen, an authority on Islam in Europe at Boston's Brandeis University

For the number of Muslims to outnumber non-Muslims by midcentury, it would require either breeding on a scale rarely seen in history or for immigration
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Read the full article Dispelling the Myth of Eurabia | Newsweek International | Newsweek.com

A related recent article from fox claiming the opposite that in fact it is happening.
FOXNews.com - Politicians Fret as Muslim Population Swells in Europe Amid Little Integration - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

Will we not know the truth till its too late does it even matter ? or is it just plain old scare tactics by the right
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It's a crock, really. Time was when Jews, Slavs and Catholics (and maybe Protestants, depending where ye were) were the target.
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Sadly, most of those who talk about this coming 'issue/problem/threat' are liars. Simple as. There will be no Islamic 'takeover' of anything - for every hard core Wahabbist idiots spouting Jihad and Shar'iah, there are hundreds of Muslims who are either quite moderate and liberal, or even one of the lesser known sects like Alevi or Sufi who are in Europe to get away from their looney brethren.

Irrespective, an infintesimal number, with enough explosives, can speak louder than millions of ordinary Muslims can especially when there are so many morons only ready to believe the myth of Europes Islamisation.
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The article seems to dismiss Europe's faltering birthrate and the surrounding regions explosive birth rate. Overpopulation and climate change can push the figures towards a radical change of Europe's make up. There's nothing scaremongering about suggesting it and leaving it out there for debate. It would be foolish to do the opposite sticking the head in the sand and drowning out dissenting voices. I'm glad Newsweek front paged the issue.
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The article seems to dismiss Europe's faltering birthrate and the surrounding regions explosive birth rate
Is does dismiss it alright

Il show examples of falling Birthrates

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Coalition tackles Germany's falling birth rate - Europe - International Herald Tribune
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/14/wo...y.1974891.html

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German birth rate falls to lowest in Europe
German birth rate falls to lowest in Europe | World news | The Guardian

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German Population Plunge “Irreversible,” Federal Stats Office Admits
Expected that one third of all European children will be born to Muslim families by 2025
German Population Plunge “Irreversible,” Federal Stats Office Admits

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Number of jihadists traveling from Germany to training camps in Pakistan has doubled in past year
German Islamists heading to Pakistan training camps | Top News


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Reports from east and west on falling birth rates

http://www.springerlink.com/content/...ext.pdf?page=1

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Is France on the way to becoming an Islamic state?
Is France on the way to becoming an Islamic state? - Telegraph


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They live in an airy ground-floor flat in a neat suburb of Rotterdam, Europe's biggest port with a population of 580,000, about four out 10 of whom are immigrants or the descendants of immigrants. On current birth rates, the city is expected to become Europe's first with a Muslim majority in about 2020
Dutch divided over Geert Wilders as radical MP eyes premiership - Telegraph

Il turn to the falling Birth rates in Russia

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QUOTE]Russia's population decline is accelerating, according to the country's official statistics agency.

According to their calculations, the decline is equivalent to 100 people dying in Russia every hour.

The subject has received international attention, with the UN warning that Russia's population could fall by a third by the middle of the century
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BBC NEWS | Europe | Russia's population falling fast


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In his recent state of the nation address, President Vladimir Putin said the most urgent problem facing Russia is its demographic crisis

BBC NEWS | Europe | Russia faces demographic disaster

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Predicting a Majority-Muslim Russia

Predicting a Majority-Muslim Russia :: Daniel Pipes

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Islam to become Russia’s predominant religion by 2050?

The Muslim News


As some know already there is 85 Sharia courts in the UK

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Britain has 85 sharia courts:
Britain has 85 sharia courts: The astonishing spread of the Islamic justice behind closed doors | Mail Online

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Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims
Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims | Mail Online

And what did Gadhafi have to say about Islam in europe?


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Gadhafi: Islam taking over Europe
Notes progress, sees 'victory' within a few decades
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50020



Gadhafi and the guy in the second video are right,

If Current Low birthrate trends continue

We prob will see the Birth of Eurabia





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O look - c&p'ed harum scarum shite in place of a thought out argument, it must be.....THE RIDDLER

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Is does dismiss it alright

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Barely one full sentence of that post is yours, and you still fuck it up. Amazing.
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Interesting article debunking the myth of Islam taking over Europe.
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Read the full article Dispelling the Myth of Eurabia | Newsweek International | Newsweek.com

A related recent article from fox claiming the opposite that in fact it is happening.
FOXNews.com - Politicians Fret as Muslim Population Swells in Europe Amid Little Integration - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

Will he not know the truth till its too late does it even matter ? or is it just plain old scare tactics by the right
Mere facts will not avail you in the face of YouTube...
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O look - c&p'ed harum scarum ********************e in place of a thought out argument, its must be.....THE RIDDLER


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Is does dismiss it alright

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Barely one full sentence of that post is yours, and you still ******************** it up. Amazing
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Instead of attacking the messenger why dont you attack the message

In particular

Gadhafis message

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