Revolution in Republic of Moldova

HSima · #31 (**permalink**) 9th April 2009

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Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach

On the Russian offer to partition Moldova with Romania:

Polls on reunification in Romania and Moldova:

Again read my comments above. The "NO" majority was a result of constant, brainwashing, enforced russification, and deportations of local population and exchanging them with slavic population. look at the statistics of former soviet republics that shows the ethnic minorities. You will notice a difference that happened during soviet rule.

Gadjodilo · #32 (**permalink**) 9th April 2009

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Originally Posted by hsima

it did you are right, but again it was enforced upon, so russian speaking population could easily learn local language. Think english with cyrillic alphabet it sounds crazy doesn't it ?

Дa. BepИ kpa3И!

bormotello · #33 (**permalink**) 9th April 2009

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Originally Posted by Gadjodilo

Дa. BepИ kpa3И!

Few photos from Moldova
comments unfortunately on Russian

Benia pictures production

Kf · #34 (**permalink**) 9th April 2009

A fcking dump of a pretence of a country that I had the misfortune to visit and whose only export is prostitutes to the rest of europe. The romanian part should be carved off to Romania and the even more corrupt Transnistria sealed with only people being allowed out. When everyones gone plant some wheat.

Its that bad.

McDave · #35 (**permalink**) 11th April 2009

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Originally Posted by imported_Déise

I doubt Russia will be too annoyed. It doesn't share a border with the place and Rep Moldova isn't of any great strategic value. The only issue is Transnistria, which only exists as a haven for smuggling. I imagine the Russians will be willing to cut them adrift.

Here is a map which shows the big distance between Russia and Rep Moldova.
Also Rep Moldova doesn't touch the Black Sea. Ukraine may get annoyed,
but there is little they can or will do.

I wouldn't be so sure about Russia not having an interest in that region. There is definitely potential for conflict in which Trans-Dniester could be used as a pawn. If you look at the 2001 language breakdown of Ukraine (File:Ukraine cencus 2001 Russian.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), you'll see the part of the part bordering T-D has a 41% Russian-speaking population. Were Ukraine to break apart for whatever reason (e.g. so that the western part could make a bid for the EU), Russia would look to secure as much of the Russian-speaking southeast regions around Crimea as possible. They could look at T-D as the western-most marker of their cultural sphere of influence - right on the border of the EU should Moldova unite with Romania.

Gadjodilo · #36 (**permalink**) 11th April 2009

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Originally Posted by imported_Déise

OK, about Romanian linguistics (I can't back up with a link, I learned this from books and I did a language course).

Romanian is a romance language just like Spanish and Italian.
In the middle ages (when hardly anyone could read anyway) the Romanians used Cyrillic. This is as Romanians are Christian Orthodox, and used old Slavonic as their religious language.

By the 1800s the Romanians switched to the latin alphabet (by this time they also switched to Romanian as the language of religion).

When the Russians took over after WW2 (unlike in Germany, Czechslovakia and Hungary, Romania had no significant indiginous communist party) they simplified spellings a little bit. So the Romanian word for I am went from Sunt to Sint, with a little hat over the i. This was a logical change for phonetically reasons.

Post 1989 the Romanians reverted to the old spellings, sint returned to sunt. This was largely popular though it was objected to by Romanian linguists, but the were outvoted at the Academy by physicists and so on. Sometimes you can still see the old spelling in papers, and often in old books. Any latin speakers will see that sunt looks more latin than sint. This is a reason for the reversion, to make Romanian more obviously latin.

In Moldova they didn't change back the spelling, but the pronounciation is identical. As an English analogy, which is correct "globalisation" or "globalization".

In an attempt to create a Moldovan identity the govt has plans to try Cyrillisise the Romanian written in Rep Moldova.

Incidentally Serb and Croatian are almost identical with one using Roman and other Cyrillic letters, though the Serbs are even now often using Roman due to mobile phone SMS and so on.

As for opinion polls, first how far can you trust the ones in Rep Moldova. I dont trust the ones in the Sunday Independent, so I'm highly sceptical of the ones in Rep Moldova. A free and fair referendum would be suitable. Also, lots of Moldovans live and work in Romania. These tend to be more pro-Romanian and had to leave due to the economic situation.

Very interesting. Thanks!

For some reason, I don't have an actually "thank you" button I could use.....

HSima · #37 (**permalink**) 11th April 2009

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Originally Posted by Gadjodilo

Very interesting. Thanks!

For some reason, I don't have an actually "thank you" button I could use.....

First of all - the language issued is and was a political issue in Bessarabia.

Secondly in the last opinion poll conducted by the communist government, when local population were asked what language they speak, they were forbidden to use "romanian" term, therefore mentioned earlier idea, if national referendum took place under pro-democratic powers and not biased and pro-russian powers then maybe the picture would be completely different.

As I was saying before, Russia's interest is vital in that region as it maintains a pro russian puppet government on the eastern border of EU & NATO and another factor is creating all sorts of problems for Ukraine which so ardently wants to join NATO. Now guess who's stupid now?

HSima · #38 (**permalink**) 11th April 2009

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Originally Posted by Gadjodilo

Very interesting. Thanks!

For some reason, I don't have an actually "thank you" button I could use.....

First of all - the language issued is and was a political issue in Bessarabia.

Secondly in the last opinion poll conducted by the communist government, when local population were asked what language they speak, they were forbidden to use "romanian" term, therefore mentioned earlier idea, if national referendum took place under pro-democratic powers and not biased and pro-russian powers then maybe the picture would be completely different.

As I was saying before, Russia's interest is vital in that region as it maintains a pro russian puppet government on the eastern border of EU & NATO and another factor is creating all sorts of problems for Ukraine which so ardently wants to join NATO. Now guess who's stupid now?

HSima · #39 (**permalink**) 11th April 2009

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Originally Posted by imported_Déise

OK, about Romanian linguistics (I can't back up with a link, I learned this from books and I did a language course).

Romanian is a romance language just like Spanish and Italian.
In the middle ages (when hardly anyone could read anyway) the Romanians used Cyrillic. This is as Romanians are Christian Orthodox, and used old Slavonic as their religious language.

By the 1800s the Romanians switched to the latin alphabet (by this time they also switched to Romanian as the language of religion).

When the Russians took over after WW2 (unlike in Germany, Czechslovakia and Hungary, Romania had no significant indiginous communist party) they simplified spellings a little bit. So the Romanian word for I am went from Sunt to Sint, with a little hat over the i. This was a logical change for phonetically reasons.

Post 1989 the Romanians reverted to the old spellings, sint returned to sunt. This was largely popular though it was objected to by Romanian linguists, but the were outvoted at the Academy by physicists and so on. Sometimes you can still see the old spelling in papers, and often in old books. Any latin speakers will see that sunt looks more latin than sint. This is a reason for the reversion, to make Romanian more obviously latin.

In Moldova they didn't change back the spelling, but the pronounciation is identical. As an English analogy, which is correct "globalisation" or "globalization".

In an attempt to create a Moldovan identity the govt has plans to try Cyrillisise the Romanian written in Rep Moldova.

Incidentally Serb and Croatian are almost identical with one using Roman and other Cyrillic letters, though the Serbs are even now often using Roman due to mobile phone SMS and so on.

As for opinion polls, first how far can you trust the ones in Rep Moldova. I dont trust the ones in the Sunday Independent, so I'm highly sceptical of the ones in Rep Moldova. A free and fair referendum would be suitable. Also, lots of Moldovans live and work in Romania. These tend to be more pro-Romanian and had to leave due to the economic situation.

Not in all of Romania (well Principalities - as Greater Romania did not exist at that time) cyrillic alphabet was used, in the area closer to current Hungary or current transylvania - latin alphabet was used, where's the area closer to Nistru River or Moldova principality cyrillic alphabet was used.
When language reform took place in the 18 century a spelling system based on Italian language was adopted.
Again not all Romanians are Christian Orthodox - I suggest you do your research properly before posting

mild · #40 (**permalink**) 16th April 2009

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Originally Posted by arnaudherve

Always more NATO provoking Russia.

Russia likes being provoked. It means that Putin and Medvedev can look strong by shaking their fists at the West, while using their decrepit military to bully non-allied small fry that they can actually take on. It creates the illusion of an emergency, which builds solidarity & national pride in Russia and nicely distracts Russians from what total b*astards they are (Putin and Medvedev, not russians in general).

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