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This is a discussion on The Climate Change Debate Thread within the Environment forums, part of the Topical Discussion category on Politics.ie. Originally Posted by nixmix you gotta laugh at environmentalists, I think George Carlin sums them up perfectly here: white bourgeois ...
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infos about the documentary etc here Ironically, and extremely sadly, while we were watching the free screening of this film in Barcelona, indigenous people from Peru were being murdered by police as they stood in defense of their lands, the Peruvian Amazon, which has been privitized and sold off (from 13% to 70% in 2 years). Which means more and more of the planets lungs get cut out, which further affects the climate crisis we are only starting to feel the beginnings of (how many days of rain in Ireland this summer, same time, Spain is on fire...) Full report on that horrific attack, which resulted in more than 60 deaths here: Massacre of Indigineous Amazonians in Peru - 25 dead and counting  OIL  TREES  Garcia: "Its OK, They (Amazon indigenous) are not first class citizens."
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The point is, which this thread supports in parts, is that the "climate crisis" "global Warming"... what ever you want to call it, is finally becoming accepted as a reality. This is a big step, as for a long time, it was laughed away by mainstream culture as "loony lefty", "tree hugging hippies" and the like.. We are still far from a true understanding by the majority of society as to the level of trouble we are facing, but, little by little we are getting there. A good example of how communities are re-acting, or, positively preparing for change are the 2 interconnected movements, both of which are growing rapidly, and virally around planet; transition movement and climate camp (ireland will hold its first such event this august)  The reference to the goings on in Peru, was just an aside, which was a sad reality. But it outlines how all this "climate stuff" is interconnected; communities being exploited (peru, rossport + many more), natural resources and ecosystems (that delicate system which allows us live) are being hacked away and burned up, cut up and traded for short term economic profit with the long term effects of worsening the climate situation, and or possibly pushing things into the danger zone (2 degree increase in global temperature and we will enter vicious feedback loop in which things will spiral out of control... IE, Ireland, the all day rain for all summer is nothing to the storms, floods etc, youll face soon, not mentioning the millions of climate refugees, broken economic, political world... ) anyway, i suppose, last post was just initial input to the "games" as it was put by original poster... See yez in midlands in mid-august for climate camp  Dunk (Climate camper @ England 2008, 2007- Barcelona in Transition-er, eco architect and urbanist with EIG (eco intelligent growth) Barcelona) Heres a short vid which gives a feel for what climate camp movement is about Eitherway, whatever your position, whatever you do... Enjoy your adventure on this odd little planet. Antes la muerta, la vida 
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| Long debate ended over cause, demise of ice ages – solar and earth wobble – CO2 not m Long debate ended over cause, demise of ice ages – solar and earth wobble – CO2 not main driver CORVALLIS, Ore. – A team of researchers says it has largely put to rest a long debate on the underlying mechanism that has caused periodic ice ages on Earth for the past 2.5 million years – they are ultimately linked to slight shifts in solar radiation caused by predictable changes in Earth’s rotation and axis. In a publication to be released Friday in the journal Science, researchers from Oregon State University and other institutions conclude that the known wobbles in Earth’s rotation caused global ice levels to reach their peak about 26,000 years ago, stabilize for 7,000 years and then begin melting 19,000 years ago, eventually bringing to an end the last ice age. The melting was first caused by more solar radiation, not changes in carbon dioxide levels or ocean temperatures, as some scientists have suggested in recent years. “Solar radiation was the trigger that started the ice melting, that’s now pretty certain,” said Peter Clark, a professor of geosciences at OSU. “There were also changes in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels and ocean circulation, but those happened later and amplified a process that had already begun.” Long debate ended over cause, demise of ice ages – solar and earth wobble – CO2 not main driver Watts Up With That? |
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| You should read more than the first half of the article 'Sometime around now, scientists say, the Earth should be changing from a long interglacial period that has lasted the past 10,000 years and shifting back towards conditions that will ultimately lead to another ice age – unless some other forces stop or slow it. But these are processes that literally move with glacial slowness, and due to greenhouse gas emissions the Earth has already warmed as much in about the past 200 years as it ordinarily might in several thousand years, Clark said. “One of the biggest concerns right now is how the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets will respond to global warming and contribute to sea level rise,” Clark said. “This study will help us better understand that process, and improve the validity of our models.” Never mind, keep searching!
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| 'Cloud ship' scheme to deflect the sun's rays is favourite to cut global warming Check the comments - people know that water vapor is a more potent greenhouse gas and are saying it! 'Cloud ship' scheme to deflect the sun's rays is favourite to cut global warming - Telegraph |
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| The Sun, Not CO2, Caused Ice Age Glaciers To Melt The Sun, Not CO2, Caused Ice Age Glaciers To Melt | The Resilient Earth Be safe, enjoy the interglacial and stay skeptical. |
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