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Paul Kienitz nails the Libertarian scam

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If i'd waited for public healthcare to do it's thing and I did have cancer I'd be dead by now.
That's based on...?
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knowledge.
Sigh, which comes from? And don't say your brain!
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Is someone an Eric Voegelin fan?
It's ironic that the OP actually uses the theoretical framework of a Christian libertarian critique of totalitarian ideology to criticise libertarianism.

These libertarians adapted Voegelin's argument that the utopian impulse motoring modern political ideologies such as Nazism and communism sprang in fact from a spiritual desire for a transcendent destiny.
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My consultant's brain.
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He's quite correct.

Incidently, a person usually gets most of their orders from a boss at
work rather than any government official.
exactly, and this is the reason why libertarians claim that they are in favour of liberty is false.
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Nonsense. The two situations are not comparable. Firstly I voluntarily applied for a job, and an agreement was struck for me to provide services in exchange for a monetary reward. Voluntary action pure and simple.
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At best, Paul Krugman could argue that he did advocate another bubble, (after all he did imply that the Fed needed to create another one). If Krugman is as anti-bubble as feargach claims he is, why did PK say there was a need for a bubble? Krugman could cling to the less admirable position of having advocated a bubble and then thinking that Greenspan could nip it in the bud. So he was dead wrong on all counts. But let there be no doubt as to Krugman's intellectual pedigree:
If I said this "For the Israeli state to gain full control over the west bank, they would need to ethnically clense the area of palestinian nationalists"

Would you take that to mean "Akrasia calls for the ethnically cleansing of the Palestinians"?
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Nonsense. The two situations are not comparable. Firstly I voluntarily applied for a job, and an agreement was struck for me to provide services in exchange for a monetary reward. Voluntary action pure and simple.
yes I know, voluntarily blah blah...

You voluntarily gave up your freedom to your employer, it still remains, that you are not free and you must obey your employers orders.

In my job I have a load of managers and bosses. Despite the fact that I know more about my job than any of them, when they say 'do this', imposed with out any consultation (or reason half the time) I have to do it and I have absolutely no leg to stand on if I refuse.

You may say "well, you have the right to quit"

Great, I can quit, and live in poverty with little hope of getting a new job without a reference that says I am a good little employee who does what he's told and doesn't ask any questions.

(the kinds of good little employees that facilitated the bubble housing market, the corruption in the banks, the misselling of insurance scandals, Enron etc etc etc etc
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