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| [QUOTE=feargach;1960412]Great little essay. "I'm Still Not a Libertarian (so I guess that means I'm opposed to personal freedom)" http://world.std.com/~mhuben/pk-is-against-liberty.html He says: "The first fallacy is one I call the Fallacy of Revolution. It can be found in any movement that seeks to radically revise the underpinnings of society, whether by abolishing money, imposing a theocracy, eliminating undesirable ethnic groups, repealing all law, organizing everyone's diet according to principles of macrobiotics, or whatever other secret of a perfect society any group comes up with. The fallacy can be expressed more or less as follows: By making these radical changes, we are removing the root cause of all the failures and evils of society as it presently stands. This will eliminate all of the existing problems, and since we have no knowledge of what new problems might arise, we can assume there will be none. Everything will work right, because there are no foreseeable things that can go wrong." [QUOTE] I haven't read the whole article, but the above seems common sense to me. Everything new creates new problems. Change can only be gradually, or gradually accepted. We always need something familiar to hold on in which context we can interprete and accept something new. That's basic to human perception and understanding. Because new is only relevant to us, and makes sense, on the basis of what we already know/have experienced. |
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| You guys are still guilty of the fallacy of revolution though.
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| Crude straw men. Equating a moderate libertarian with a Marxist ideologue is just silly. Marxism involves a whole series of assumptions about human nature which are intrinsic to its utopic vision. It assumes that man is solely a material being and that the key to his happiness lies in creating an earthly economic eschaton. Hence the preposterous claims about the fruits of the revolution.
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Some Guy’s Critique of Libertarianism Irish Liberty Forum It's a pretty easy demolition job, didn't need any mental contortions.
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| Somewhat of a tangent, looking at 20000's site I saw this in recent posts: "Krugman Demanded a Housing Bubble " Quote:
It is obviously not a demand, and is clearly in opposition to bubbles (as nearly all economists are), it is simply an analysis of the Fed's options for fighting the recession and avoiding deflation. From P. Krugman himself: "Guys, read it again. It wasn’t a piece of policy advocacy, it was just economic analysis. What I said was that the only way the Fed could get traction would be if it could inflate a housing bubble. And that’s just what happened." Here's another quote from the same article by Krugman. It is blatantly hostile to the notion of tax cuts in the period concerned, and hardly cosy about bubbles: "Bear in mind also that government officials have a stake in accentuating the positive. The (Bush) administration needs a recovery because, with deficits exploding, the only way it can justify that tax cut is by pretending that it was just what the economy needed. Mr. Greenspan needs one to avoid awkward questions about his own role in creating the stock market bubble." Wait, a second, 20000miles has told us that Krugman is for bubbles. Why then, would Krugman, in the very same article he quotes, say that Greenspan might have to face "awkward questions" about creating a bubble. If Krugman is pro-bubble, what's awkward about it? This is simply another example of the level of intellectual honesty you're dealing with here when you read Misesian posts on here.
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| The same Krugman that backs Obammy and his healthcare plan and asked this question.
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| Well, I would consider the Irish health care system to be terrible, but I think Krugman mmmmmmmaaaaaay have been getting at how much I would prefer to live under the US health care system. And I would prefer to have my fingernails pulled out than switch from any European health care system to the US model. I wonder whether those Canadians in the audience were planning on migrating South to sample the joys of the US health care system. Or were they planning to stick with their own one, "terrible" though it may be.
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