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are you sure you're not confusing this fantasy with the man-made famines in the Ukraine during the same period?

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No it really happened. 5 million americans starved to death during the great depression while the government destroyed food. In 1933 alone the government ordered the slaughter of over 6 million pigs so that pork prices could remain high. I'm sure you'll find this all on google. There are plenty of good sources out there. Of course most of this is covered up by the mainstream bourgouis media. It would make people doubt capitalism if they knew the truth.
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No it really happened. 5 million americans starved to death during the great depression while the government destroyed food. In 1933 alone the government ordered the slaughter of over 6 million pigs so that pork prices could remain high. I'm sure you'll find this all on google. There are plenty of good sources out there. Of course most of this is covered up by the mainstream bourgouis media. It would make people doubt capitalism if they knew the truth.
What does this have to do with Libertarians?
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No it really happened. 5 million americans starved to death during the great depression while the government destroyed food. In 1933 alone the government ordered the slaughter of over 6 million pigs so that pork prices could remain high. I'm sure you'll find this all on google. There are plenty of good sources out there. Of course most of this is covered up by the mainstream bourgouis media. It would make people doubt capitalism if they knew the truth.
I find it a bit scary that you're glossing over the countless millions of your fellow humans sent to the gulags in order to move the industrialisation of the Soviet Union forward.
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I find it a bit scary that you're glossing over the countless millions of your fellow humans sent to the gulags in order to move the industrialisation of the Soviet Union forward.
not to mention the destruction of the kulaks
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As has already been mentioned, they lasted that long because of the growth of the central government, indeed on several occasions has owed its survival to the draft. It may not have been the ideal of the founding slavers, but it worked.

No response to the social darwinism dig?
The first point is BS. The country was set up by Libertarians, the constitution is based on Libertarian principles. Therefore to say that a country set up by Libertarian Principles woudl not last 3 seconds is false and that is the statement I was answering.

RE: social darwinisn, I don't fully disagree. I am no Libertarian just trying to counter the absolute rubbish spouted by the socialist revisionism as spouted by Monkey-Magic.
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No it really happened. 5 million americans starved to death during the great depression while the government destroyed food. In 1933 alone the government ordered the slaughter of over 6 million pigs so that pork prices could remain high. I'm sure you'll find this all on google. There are plenty of good sources out there. Of course most of this is covered up by the mainstream bourgouis media. It would make people doubt capitalism if they knew the truth.
it all makes sense now

where do I join the revolution comrade?
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The first point is BS. The country was set up by Libertarians, the constitution is based on Libertarian principles. Therefore to say that a country set up by Libertarian Principles woudl not last 3 seconds is false and that is the statement I was answering.
The founders of the country wouldn't know libertarianism from a hole in the wall, in fairness. Blank looks all round. And again, you are ignoring the fact that it owes its survival to very non-libertarian actions.
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There's no reason why Libertarianism and capitalism need to be associated.

In theory, people who believe in minimal government should have no problem with other ownership systems like workers'or producers' cooperatives. In practice, I've never seen a non-capitalist libertarian, but that doesn't necessarily have to be the case.
You can read about left-libertarianism here.
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Your analysis failed at the first sentence.

"Ultra-capitalist Ron Paul nutjobs as opposed to anarchists" is an interesting sentence. The Libertarian Manifesto by Murray N. Rothbard is an explicitly anarchist document. A reduction in the size of the state is a reduction in violence and every classical liberal (libertarian) will welcome such a move. Ron Paul co-founded the Ludwig Von Mises Institute which is the centre of world libertarian anarchism and he has stated here: Dr. Paul discusses Civil Disobedience, Self-Government & More with Motorhome Diaries Irish Liberty Forum that he advocates self-government. To draw a distinction between the "Ultra-capitalist Ron Paul Nut-jobs and Anarchists" doesn't make sense. I seek to abolish the State which is the institution of monopoly and legalised violence, I also support Ron Paul and any body else who seeks to reduce and abolish it.

I can still support him without voting. He has said a thousand times he doesn't want to be President, the reason he is in politics is to educate people at which he is very good at.
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The founders of the country wouldn't know libertarianism from a hole in the wall, in fairness. Blank looks all round. And again, you are ignoring the fact that it owes its survival to very non-libertarian actions.
They would have been reasonably familiar with the ideas of John Locke (just as contemporary libertarians are).
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