If they do it should be cut, a tax relief on union membership is ok, because at leats they have to get the members to tick the bocx in the first place, and the more people there are involved in collecetive bargaining the better. But IBEC getting money is ridiculous, they preach the market lets see them live by it, and charge for membership.........

Does not surprise me if that is true

all small business should be well taxed at the point of start up,too many of those type of enterprises got through in the last 10 years and are now going bust,better start up plans
are needed to be successful,

Let me see if I get the logic here ...

Many small businesses are failing.

Therefore their start-up plans mustn't have been good enough.

Therefore we need to raise the barrier to starting a business by front-loading taxation on business.

So a disincentive to start a business is what's required to improve the economy? Is that what you're advocating?

Imagine mapping this logic to Darwinism. Too many species are weak. Therefore it would be better if genetic mutation was less likely. That way way we'll get fewer but stronger species. Way to produce a healthy ecosystem!

Precisely why welfare needs to be cut, €204 here vs ~€66 in UK, over 3 times as much

They are EMPLOYERS, who EMPLOY the lower classes as well as middle classes; what's your alternative comrade? Have no employers and no jobs ??!!

You really are a statist.Kill a business off before it can even start,by using the more powerful instrument the state has.

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I'm opposed to this, not for altruistic or ideological reasons, but rather because the vast majority of welfare payments are disposable income that gets put back into the economy the moment it hits the claimants' hands. On that basis, the double whammy of increased hardship on the poor and the hit on the wider economy make it a no for me.

Over the medium-long term though, welfare reform is desperately needed. But a time of crisis is not a time to make long-term strategic decisions.

Well, still waiting for someone to clarify/conmfirm this, but I beleive IBEC membership is fee based, and it aint cheap. No idea how much, but simple google found this IBEC application form3.4.indd

note the reference to direct debit madate if subscription fee is less than 5k!!!

Also subscriptions are deductable business expense, similar to union fees being tax deductable.

Goes to show even more similarity between unions and IBEC, I've said it before, IBEC and unions, one and the same, leeches all!!

Anyone who ok's tax deductions on union membership fees but poopoos the likes if IBEC subscritions i being tax deductable is a hypocrtye by the way.

Also, IBEC are registered as a union I beleive!!

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Thats a fantastic post, said evberything I was trying to say.