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Its the welfare state and what we are seeing now is how it is starting to unravel.Ireland maybe the first but others in Europe will follow,its to expensive to keep.
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well i cant argue against that . Social welfare like many areas of government is just not functioning correctly . Its a gravy train ,and im not talking about the people signing at the hatches .Im more talking about the numerous quangoes associated with unemployment ,ie FAS , various 'community centres' jobs for the boys,that kinda thing .
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Its the welfare state and what we are seeing now is how it is starting to unravel.Ireland maybe the first but others in Europe will follow,its to expensive to keep.
Well we'll wait and see . Ive heard that scandanavian and central european countries are run much better than this one . Economically and socially . Is that correct?Moronically simplistic it may sound but i think its a valid question.I am just wonderin if we are chumps ? We live in a rainy , conservative , corrupt sh1thole if you ask me.

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The dole here is four times the Northern equivalent. I know some genuinely needy people will be hurt, but that gap has to be closed.
What about reducing the dole and storing the surplus in an investment account, which could perhaps be refunded to certain welfare recipients on completion of online or vocational courses or something like that? When you can walk into an exam hall and sit the exam successfully, or otherwise get your qualification you get the €100 a week it was reduced by for the last six months, or around €2500. Also a handy way to help people save a bit of money for the rainy day or help themselves get jobs. It would be quite the incentive to gain useful skills.
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Just watching Vincent Browne now.. He keeps mentioning that the social welfare fund is about to collapse...does anyone know any more?

I'm not on social welfare myself, but I am just wondering what are the implications for the country? Will that mean even more borrowing?

It just gets worse and worse.

These fears were voiced by several people eight or ten years ago, but no one listened. Then everyone got lost in property porn, and it was forgotten about. All this has been building for years, but no one prepared for it, what was that Roy Keane said ?....
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We have corporate gombeen capitalism in government,that then do the vote buying jig through a socialist welfare state structure.
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Well we'll wait and see . Ive heard that scandanavian and central european countries are run much better than this one . Economically and socially . Is that correct?Moronically simplistic it may sound but i think its a valid question.I am just wonderin if we are chumps ? We live in a rainy , conservative , corrupt sh1thole if you ask me.
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Well we'll wait and see . Ive heard that scandanavian and central european countries are run much better than this one . Economically and socially . Is that correct?Moronically simplistic it may sound but i think its a valid question.I am just wonderin if we are chumps ? We live in a rainy , conservative , corrupt sh1thole if you ask me.

The Scando's setup sovereign wealth funds, and held onto their natural resources.
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I presume those talking about cutting/reducing the Social Welfare are actually talking about the "dole" and childrens allowance rather than all welfare including the OAP, Disability Allowance/Pension.
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The Scando's setup sovereign wealth funds, and held onto their natural resources.
And much higher income tax rates.
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And much higher income tax rates.
Which is where we need to go.
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I presume those talking about cutting/reducing the Social Welfare are actually talking about the "dole" and childrens allowance rather than all welfare including the OAP, Disability Allowance/Pension.
Everything is up for grabs. I suspect a small cut to basic payments, maybe 5%, but additional benefits will be savaged like the free schemes.
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