ISME warns: Public Sector Overpaid- diasaster in offing

Proposition Joe · #**141** (**permalink**) 14th March 2009

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Originally Posted by Leftfemme22

This is tranparent fluff and nothing more.

I don't deem myself qualified to judge or comment on your salary, you should stop thinking that paying taxes is sufficient qualification for allowing you to do the same with regard to mine.

My salary isn't funded by the public purse.

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Originally Posted by Leftfemme22

This has absolutely nothing to do with megalomania.

It is totally unreasonable to consider yourself qualified to judge or comment on a profession you know nothing about.

Therein lies the real megalomania, not pointing that fact out to you.

Virtually every commentator in the land has expressed an opinion on the consultant's 240k or the GP's 640 euro capitation fee. Are they all megalomaniacs also?

Everyone else is crazy and you're only sane one? I wonder what the DSM has to say about such feelings ...

GerMan · #**142** (**permalink**) 14th March 2009

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Originally Posted by Leftfemme22

What high life? Just what obn earth are you babbling about? This kindof red top sensationalism reduces your arguements to the the level of the schoolyard.

And I have news for you pal, you WILL pay more taxes, as we all will, irrelevant of which sector we work in.

Hahaha. Leftfemme22: "The high life"?! Idiot.

Factorem · #**143** (**permalink**) 14th March 2009

Who do the ISME think they are? If they were in control (which they aren't -- lest anyone forget they're just a VI lobby group), they'd have people working for €2.50 an hour and Directors' tax cut to 0%.

FutureTaoiseach · #**144** (**permalink**) 14th March 2009

HW conveniently neglects the effective renationalisation of the UK railways in recent years, but as always I have always stated that I regarded rail as a special case because no effective model of competition would work there. Banking - the clearing house of economies - may be another one - but as the ESB prices go through the roof it becomes clear these are not typical of the rest of the economy where the private sector is cutting prices aggressively while their lordships in the ESB continue to exploit us with feudal-dues like the highest prices in the Western world.

wexfordman · #**145** (**permalink**) 14th March 2009

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Originally Posted by Leftfemme22

I dispair, I am totally at a loss with this.

It just reinforces my decision to leave this joke of a country.

The above is in reference to your reponse to td's getting a 3k salary increase Leftfemme.

Now while you deem us unworthy to comment on pubic sector pay and conditiions...

Are you qualified to comment ?
Is it any of yor business what they earn ?
Did you follow them around for a week perhaps to see what they do ?

anlkestony · #**146** (**permalink**) 14th March 2009

Why bother responding to the PS bashing crap that is spewed here on a daily basis

Leftfemme22 · #**147** (**permalink**) 15th March 2009

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Originally Posted by wexfordman

The above is in reference to your reponse to td's getting a 3k salary increase Leftfemme.

Now while you deem us unworthy to comment on pubic sector pay and conditiions...

Are you qualified to comment ?
Is it any of yor business what they earn ?
Did you follow them around for a week perhaps to see what they do ?

I'm not looking for a pay rise, in fact I'm getting a pay cut.

I am not telling anyone to take a pay cut whilst I receive a pay rise. That is the quintessential difference here. Its the staggering hypocrisy of these idiots that I despair.

Nothing qualifies you to assess the worth of my labour.

I am not qualified to assess the worth of yours, therefore I do not comment on it.

Yet you and PJ bang on endlessly about how over paid we are despite not having a clue about my profession.

And I am leaving this joke of a country, with hecklers and self satisfied con men littering the debate on the economic crisis, you guys seriously haven't got a hope of clawing your way out.

You will try to decimate the public sector using corrupt arguments and divisive tactics, demoralise those remaining and will truely be left with a nightmare scenario of a broken country with no future to speak of what so ever.

You are fostering a public v private divide that only exists in the minds of RW ideologists who laughably call those in the Private sector risk takers and innovators and wealth creators when in reality the overwhelming majority of Private sector workers are ordinary joe soaps doing a 9 to 5 much like those in the public sector.

And now you want our pensions because uber slick (albeit now defunct) reagonomics pretend to the work force that companies cannot afford them and shouldn't really be rewarding workers anyway.

Your country is f*cked and it is f*cked because you really do not wish to collectively pull together and create a better place for all. You want to make business sacrosanct and demonise anyone who believes people should come first.

To hell with you.

hopi watcher · #**148** (**permalink**) 15th March 2009

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Originally Posted by bormotello

Why?

It will solve the problem
1) It will be no reason to increase taxes again. People will spend more. Money, what they will spend will give job for another people. Less people will be on dole. Less taxes increases will be needed. Economy will start to recover.
2) A lot of public workers are doing stupid procedures prepared by their managers. Lets make those procedures available for public. Everybody will see haw taxpayers money spent. Everybody can criticize and make suggestions. Each public manager will get those suggestions for free as last chance. If after public brainstorm, he will not manage to improve performance of his department – he must be fired without pension.
3) Financial regulator and central bank are directly responsible for this mess on the property market. If they warn people that there is a bubble, then people could stop buying homes. Developers would be forced to reduce supply. Prices would go down. If somebody wanted to take a risk – it would be his own problem. At least he has be warned.
Financial authorities didn’t do it. It means that they are not capable of doing job and must be fired immediately without any pension. Only cleaners and office admins can stay.

I don’t think that it is good idea to demand 20% cut on public workers wages.
Ireland has a chance to get rid off ballast in public sector and must use it for own good.
Next generation of public workers will remember what happen with their predecessors, which didn’t work hard and will take a lesson.
New benchmarking is urgently required.
If public is not happy by job of some public workers – they must be replaced by better ones. But if somebody is performing very well – he even can get of pay increase.
Advantage of great purge is that lot of people, which now simply are waiting for pension and doing practically nothing (mostly relates to management) will be replaced by more energetic and smart.
If somebody in public services is smart and has a stupid boss, which will occupy his position for another 20 years, proposed purge will give chance to get what he deserved.

Aside from gasping, all that one can reply to the above, is thank christ you have no influence where it matters.

hopi watcher · #**149** (**permalink**) 15th March 2009

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Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach

HW conveniently neglects the effective renationalisation of the UK railways in recent years, but as always I have always stated that I regarded rail as a special case

and the privatisation of 'water' in the UK?

turdsl · #**150** (**permalink**) 15th March 2009

Congradulations to Cowen and Lenihan they have all workers at each others throats.
now is a great opportunity to increase everything as much as possible and make all sides pay through the teeth and we may get out of this much quicker.

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