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The naivety of some people who actually believe that these parasites invest in Health to facilitate competition. It’s absolutely moronic at this stage.

At least Ulick is a bare faced profiteer and makes no claim to the contrary, I'm sure he is confidant that he has a legion of sycophantic brown nosers out there who stare wide eyed at his wealth and proscribe omnipotence to the leech as a result and rush to web sites like this and defend him and his ideology.

Like ants scurrying for the scraps from his table....
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Yup the country is doomed...whenever tough decisions are demanded, the left try and stimy decisions and prolong the inevitable....it's like a doctor faced with a patient who has gangarine and needs an immediate amputation to save his life and you have the relatives of the man holding the doctors arm and trying to stop him.
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Yup the country is doomed...whenever tough decisions are demanded, the left try and stimy decisions and prolong the inevitable....it's like a doctor faced with a patient who has gangarine and needs an immediate amputation to save his life and you have the relatives of the man holding the doctors arm and trying to stop him.

What context is this made in?

What on earth are you talking about?
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Who controls the money supply the ECB(all government appointed cronies) they can inflate and contract the money supply at will by manipulating interest rates,who regulates the Banks government and they did one sh1te job.
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Please get over this nonsense about public spending. Its could be improved and tightened but it is neither the cause of our problems nor the way out of them.

Everything have increased in price in the last 10-15 years. Why would PS pay still be at 1990 levels when nothing else is?

If the private sector is so great and the answer to all ills, how come it has ruined itself? Private banks are a problems, the solution, public ownership.

Drive the talent out of the PS if you like by cutting wages etc but there will be a price to pay in the long term.
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If the private sector is so great and the answer to all ills, how come it has ruined itself? Private banks are a problems, the solution, public ownership.
It is pure public services fault
It was job for financial regulator and central bank to get data from CSO how many people live in Ireland and get data from department of environment how many houses build.
This is why taxpayers are paying money to public services, because they must regulate greedy bankers and developers.
But they were more worrying about their salaries increase from benchmarking, because without property bubble their wages would stay on the same level.
They didn’t do anything to prevent property bubble and they have to be punished.
This country needs new public services!!!
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It is pure public services fault
It was job for financial regulator and central bank to get data from CSO how many people live in Ireland and get data from department of environment how many houses build.
This is why taxpayers are paying money to public services, because they must regulate greedy bankers and developers.
But they were more worrying about their salaries increase from benchmarking, because without property bubble their wages would stay on the same level.
They didn’t do anything to prevent property bubble and they have to be punished.
This country needs new public services!!!

But when the PS wanted to regulate or stop any of these sharp practices during the boom objections were common too. Manipulation of the property markets to slow it down was a no no. Talk of limiting the power of huge property owners was virtually communism. Dont over regulate etc.

Sure some of these PS were super useless at their jobs(to the point it looks intentional), but to says it is the PS fault the private sector was not stopped from ruining the country is a bit much. Brides and insider trading are a way of life in Ireland in certain circles, replacing the junior officers wont alter that fact.

Anybody who trys to get in the way of the top 1% in this country is not thanked, that ran a year ago and it runs now. Blame the PS if you like, but it comes back to the same problem that has infected the whole system. We are not to be trusted with money or power and the professions are failing at their jobs time and time again. If a banker or solicitor needs to be watched nite and day in order not to steal money or fake a will etc that is hardly anyones elses fault but their own.
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But when the PS wanted to regulate or stop any of these sharp practices during the boom objections were common too. Manipulation of the property markets to slow it down was a no no. Talk of limiting the power of huge property owners was virtually communism. Dont over regulate etc.
All what financial regulators and central bank had to do was to tell everybody that there is a bubble on property market.
Nothing else
As soon as people would understand it – everybody could make his own decision what to do
Everybody would see what is supply, what is demand, how risky it is to invest to property

They decided do not tell this truth to people in order to get salaries increase – they must be punished for this



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Blame the PS if you like, but it comes back to the same problem that has infected the whole system. We are not to be trusted with money or power and the professions are failing at their jobs time and time again. If a banker or solicitor needs to be watched nite and day in order not to steal money or fake a will etc that is hardly anyones elses fault but their own.
For example, Gardai is not assuming that everybody is innocent, they are hunting drug dealers and sex offenders, even before they committed a crime.
What was wrong to make the same assumption for bankers and developers
Ireland is not first country suffering from property bubble
PS, responsible for financial regulation could learn from another countries lessons
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X-ray every area you have touched on involved government in one from or another.Credit expansion,planning and regulating banksters.
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But when the PS wanted to regulate or stop any of these sharp practices during the boom objections were common too. Manipulation of the property markets to slow it down was a no no. Talk of limiting the power of huge property owners was virtually communism. Dont over regulate etc.

Sure some of these PS were super useless at their jobs(to the point it looks intentional), but to says it is the PS fault the private sector was not stopped from ruining the country is a bit much. Brides and insider trading are a way of life in Ireland in certain circles, replacing the junior officers wont alter that fact.

Anybody who trys to get in the way of the top 1% in this country is not thanked, that ran a year ago and it runs now. Blame the PS if you like, but it comes back to the same problem that has infected the whole system. We are not to be trusted with money or power and the professions are failing at their jobs time and time again. If a banker or solicitor needs to be watched nite and day in order not to steal money or fake a will etc that is hardly anyones elses fault but their own.
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The naivety of some people who actually believe that these parasites invest in Health to facilitate competition. It’s absolutely moronic at this stage.

At least Ulick is a bare faced profiteer and makes no claim to the contrary,...
*gasp* Businessman invests to make money shocker! What a disgrace!
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The people in the private sector have largely abandoned unions and have opted to fend for themselves in negotiations with their employers. Not going as well as collective bargining by the sound of it. That should not be a surprise really.
I think you ll find the unions have abandoned them...

The Non Union Dell workers in limerick got a better deal then the Union workers is Kostel...

When the kostel workers confronted the union rep ...he asked them..."Do you want me to resign"

The only influence the unions have it with cowardly govt's who are afraid of being criticised
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