I can only say that about 20 months ago I moved back north after about 17 years spent mostly in the south, short stints in the US and Switzerland aside.

Within 6 weeks a long-standing and mysterious stomach complaint magically cured itself and I started feeling much more mentally alert, physically more energetic, and had far more general "get up and go" and ability to tackle tricky intellectually demanding tasks (which is every day when yer a computer programmer).

I didn't think much of the flouride claims in the past, like most people putting them in the tinfoil category, but now I'm a convert. There's definitely something very very wrong with the water in the south and when I'm down now at weekends you can taste it, even in the food.

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Apart from Ireland (RoI), it's 10% of England and 10% of Spain. Nowhere else. Details here.

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"If I'm in government fluoridation will go in the first month in office. That's a guarantee." -- John Gormley TD, Feb 2007

"In Government we would immediately ban water fluoridation." -- Green Party health policy until Nov 2009

So, Gormley is an autotrophic organism then. Hmm.

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Ya i have to agree, i have had the same experience when returning to the south after being away for a while.

Translation: Don't bother me with facts and statistics.

P.

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The point is that the statistics used by the medical establishment (including Harney, and now Gormley) are based on bad science and are manipulated by the very people whose reputation depends on fluoridation continuing.

Here is one important fact you might not be aware of:

There is not one Irish medical doctor willing to defend fluoridation in public debate.

Does that tell you something?

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"In Government we would immediately ban water fluoridation." -- Green Party health policy until Nov 2009

Earwig the Clem---facts and statistics are only right when they are yours is it? haahaaa ya got lost in translation i suppose, wld ya like me to translate this also for ya seen that ya couldnt understand the last one????

Ah, that's funny - on another blog, you claimed that there is at least one doctor who will defend it:

They’re talking about us? Ireland is the ‘ultimate nanny state?’ Say it’s not so…. The Cedar Lounge Revolution

Now there is not one doctor?

Caught exaggerating again, you loon.

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I did nothing of the sort. Better go back and read it again. I stated that one doctor, Dr (now Professor) Shane Allwright, was interviewed by Pat Kenny on the radio twelve years ago, and she "insisted that fluoridation was needed for poor people" (which is nonsense, and scientifically indefensible). There was no public debate; it was just a fawning interview.

I'm pointing out to you now that neither Dr Allwright (who is the daughter of the dentist responsible for fluoridating Hong Kong -- see this) nor any other Irish medical doctor is willing to defend fluoridation in public debate. Dr Allwright is surely aware that she wouldn't get away with purveying disinformation like that in public these days. Mind you, it is alarming to think that her medical students seem to lap up such disinformation.

To the best of my knowledge, the last public debate on fluoridation was -- some months before the last general election, when John Gormley shredded the defence put up by Allwright's TCD dentist colleague Dr Jacinta McLoughlin. Presumably they couldn't persuade anyone more senior than McLoughlin to appear, and certainly not a medical doctor. Gormley's subsequent backpedalling is another story.

Correct.

No, I caught you misrepresenting me.

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"In Government we would immediately ban water fluoridation." -- Green Party health policy until Nov 2009

So what? The last public debate on whether or not we should bleed people to release humours probably took place a few centuries ago; it just means there's an overwhelming consensus on the issue.

You still first said _not one_ doctor would defend this, when only last year you said at least one doctor would. You're well known in Irish blogland for infesting comment threads with your anti-fluoride, anti-vaccine nonsense (Patricia McKenna and MMR, again / taint.org: Justin Mason's Weblog). If you hate modern science so much, stop using computers - you do know the radiation from monitors is frying your balls, don't you?

You've been caught with your pants down, boy; best to buckle up.

P.

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