The Irish Government currently permits, far in excess of it's international obligations, the legal actions of foreign nationals against decisions already carefully made by that Government; and has funded those legal actions, much to the disadvantage of the people of this country.

The Geneva Convention on refugees (find it at UNHCR Welcome), to which Ireland is a voluntary signatory, and from which Ireland can withdraw at a year's notice, requires an appeal to a competent authority, plus legal advice, plus time to find another country to go to, before a refugee is expelled.
An appeal-one!

Ireland and Britain have opted out of EU immigration law (to preserve the common travel area, not to better safeguard the interests of the Irish people ) but have signed up to the minimum standards in asylum procedures directive; Council Directive 2005/85/EC. (Easier to find with a search engine than on the EU's incomprehensible lex website). This requires, (Art 39), 'applicants for asylum have a right to an effective remedy before a court or tribunal'.
A court or a tribunal-not a series of them!

The Irish Government has been timid and unconfident, and has failed to implement it's own careful decisions to refuse asylum, and has permitted in some cases very undesireable persons to remain on our territory; some to set up sohisticated frauds (example 'Gardai uncover €2m fraud by asylum applicants' , from the Independent 25 Nov 2008); some to run up enormous legal aid bills and court costs , paid for by the taxpayer, by using legal actions to prolong their stay. In 2008 3 out of 5 judicial reviews at the High Court related to asylum and immigration issues.
Also; 'One in 20 asylum applications made form behind bars' -see One in 20 asylum applications made from behind bars - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie
And you know how reluctant the courts are to give a custodial sentence.

Our Government's prevarication, indecision, and incompetence (presenting lawyers with a 'take us to the cleaners' euro-millions feeding trough) has brought these problems unfairly upon the Irish people.

You are reading into my posts points that are not there. I am merely trying to ascertain why people are against polygamy, per se. I have not ventured any opinion on it either way.

As to conservative islam and my supposed mis-placed leftist sympathies; you must not have read many of my posts. I am a secularist and think that NO religion should have ANY influence on public policy. I think that religion should be a private affair and that people should never bring it up in the context of a decision on public policy. Nor do I think that any account should be taken towards religious feelings when making law or public policy.

All religion is built on falsehood and fear and they should all be rejected by thinking men and women everywhere. I hope that clears it up for you.

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That is the only point really worth considering on this , yet another laborious thread that harkens the "ride the of xenophobes."

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A Muslim man may have 4 wives. Concubines went out with Genie and the lamp. As stated before, the man has to give each wife exactly the same amount of money, goods, homes, gifts etc. Which brings us to our asylum seeker who brought over one wife, and left one behind. Wrong. On both counts. He should have brought both wives with him, or none, and if his life was in danger, then his wives' lives were in danger, as were his children, so he showed favour to one wife by getting her here, but not the other one. And how come the left behind wife appeared to survive well enough despite him having to run for his life? Does not make much sense.

Carrying on with Sharia law, the two wives should have a home, each. There are women quarters in Muslim houses granted, but that is where the visiting wives, inlaws (double inlaws God), nieces etc., meet up. In Saudi very few people have more than one wife. They cannot afford a second one, let alone four of them.

So will our man want two houses for his two households? Two lots of benefit, if he is indeed on benefit. If he is wealthy, grand. Let him remove himself to a country that allows such marriages. This will solve his problem but I think we have another well funded test case going before the courts, again, to change our constitution to suit our "guests", which I don't mind, but when our constitution is not changed for the benefit of thousands of Irish citizens who are either homosexual or lesbian, or of surgically altered gender, then I will not lose any sleep over this case should this man lose.

Re the circumcision business. I believe that when one lives in a particularly sandy place, i.e. the desert, that sandy particles get into the penis of boys, causing infections, pain, etc. Circumcision helps prevent such mishaps. A logical step, then, I think. To circumcise girls however, is done only to prevent them feeling any pleasure from the sexual act. Spite rather than right in that case.

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Worth mentioning shia and sunni Mut'a marriage contracts also, temporary marriages for the purposes of casual sex/arrangements.

I wonder out loud whether these Mut'a marriages are being abused to facilitate economic migration?

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Liberal elites across the EU have taken Bertoldt Brechts advice and declared that the people have forfeited the confidence of the government, therefore the liberal elites have decided to dissolve the people and import another.

A Lebanese-American friend told me a long time ago about these. If memory serves me correctly, theres a few famous Lebanese actresses or popstars who have used a string of short term marriages as a socially acceptable way of being promiscuous.

Part of the problem, Clonycavanman, is that Lisbon signs the EU up to the Geneva Convention, and this is enshrined in the Charter of Fundamental Rights. Granted - we and the UK have an optout from Justice and Home Affairs. But we have amended the Constitution last October such that the govt/Oireachtas can surrender the optout without a referendum (Article 29.4.7. of the Constitution), and with FG's Euro-election manifesto pledging to scrap the optout, it is probably only a matter of time before the optout is abolished, making the Geneva Convention binding on Ireland while we remain EU member states. It was an absolute disgrace that this fact has been hidden (by omission) by the elites in the referendum campaign owing to a compliant, Dublin 4 elite media (including Newstalk which has just lost a BCI complaint against it for bias in the campaign).

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I wonder is the this the same guy?

Lebanese man disputes refusal to allow his two wives live here - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie

Not according to this Islamic site

Polygamy in Islamic Law

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That is a liberal interpretation - they may even suggest that the punishment for ex-Muslims is not the death penalty. They are historically inaccurate and simply wrong.

Concubines remain in places where Western influence has not fully reached - for example in Sudan, Mauritania etc.

The idea that the man must give each wife an equal amount of material goods contradicts the Sunnah and the actions of Muhammad himself- i.e. it does not form part of Sharia historically and it is haram to suggest that it does.