Team Expelled from Leinster Football League over Assault and "Xenophobic Insults"

[Libero]

You're more or less accusing them of being hypocritical in accusing others of xenophobia, becasue they are de facto xenophobes themselves.

Clearly, the Latvians aren't being cute enough.

By simply turning down, without explanation, someone who is non-Latvian, they leave themselves open to the charge of lacking diversity. Worse, cheeky chappies like JCSkinner can go further and insinuate a racist nature in their exclusionary behaviour, suggesting that they have no right to make complaints of racism themselves.

What the Latvians should do is obvious: log-on to Politics.ie

On this very site they could observe how some posters openly discriminate against those of other nationalities, yet are cute enough to dodge charges of racism by explaining how they have reasonable, objective reasons for doing so.

I'm thinking, in particular, of how some posters boast of choosing not to give business to foreign taxi drivers but fend off any suggestion of racism by straining to give objective reasons why they assume that foreigners might not be as suited to the job as someone like them.

Of course, these Latvian footballers may lack the necessary English language skills to browse the threads in question.

Thankfully, there exists a poster who is both a Russian-speaker AND has a keen interest in explaining why he doesn't give business to foreign taxi drivers in Dublin. What a coincidence!

One trusts that the poster in question will be of assistance in this matter. Apart from assisting with thread-translation, he might even help them come up with some paper-thin excuses for why they wouldn't want a foreigner about the place even if - hilariously, you'll agree - he's the foreigner in question!

http://www.politics.ie/chat/46153-ta...ml#post1435038

[JCSkinner]

Oh, I think the Latvian team are being cute enough here. Their selective media forays indicate that.
I think they're not the only ones being cute either.
One might think it a bit of a stroke to misrepresent a position of preferring native Dubliners as drivers into an anti-foreign national position. After all, it's clear on the thread referred to above that my position is that I prefer native Dubliner drivers to Culchies, Corkmen and Northerners too.
To elide over that is, to borrow a phrase from another thread, propa nawty.

[meriwether2]

I recorded the conversation, such as it was. I'd be happy to submit it to a court if required.

I can see it going to court alright. If I was you, Id put it in a bank safety deposit box.

You seem happy to take those accusations as gospel and malign the good name of a team that has played in this league for many years and does tremendous work in a deprived area of Dublin.

Am I? Where? If so, that is not the case. I have no opinion one way or the other on the alleged incident.

In fact, you're happy to level disgusting terms of prejudiced abuse at them.

Am I? Oh dear, I do retract it. Apologies to the club and individuals concerned.

But you're not prepared to countenance that a team made up of entirely one nationality playing in a country where those nationals form a tiny fraction of the population, who hang up when people of other nationalities ask to try out for their team, might be operating a xenophobic selection policy.

Oh no, JC. Im prepared to countenance it. If there is proof. We're a bit short on that, aren't we?

Not very consistent of you, is it?

My only position is that I want you to substantiate your allegation that the Latvians operate a xenophobic selection policy.
Im afraid I have been entirely consistent in that. There is no room for inconsistency. Any inconsistency you observe is purely your imagination.

(Unless one operates from the assumption that only Irish people can be racists.)

Again, this has nothing to do with anything, and I really feel you are confusing me with someone else.

Anyhow, we'l be having proof soon enough, will we?

[The_SR]

JC,

No-one believes you rang the Latvian team.

[JCSkinner]

If you don't think that having an entirely single nationality team and refusing to countenance an application for a try out from someone of another nationality does not amount to a xenophobic selection policy, then I politely suggest you do not comprehend the meaning of the words 'prejudice' or 'xenophobia'.
You clearly do have an opinion on the alleged incident since you referred to it as 'a creamer headbutting' someone. That's more than an opinion - that's stating allegation as fact and using pretty disgusting prejudiced terminology about the Ballyfermot team.

[meriwether2]

Originally Posted by JCSkinner

If you don't think that having an entirely single nationality team and refusing to countenance an application for a try out from someone of another nationality does not amount to a xenophobic selection policy, then I politely suggest you do not comprehend the meaning of the words 'prejudice' or 'xenophobia'.
You clearly do have an opinion on the alleged incident since you referred to it as 'a creamer headbutting' someone. That's more than an opinion - that's stating allegation as fact and using pretty disgusting prejudiced terminology about the Ballyfermot team.

You seem to be absolutely intent on diverting from the issue at hand - you providing evidence (sorry, meaningful evidence) that the Latvia team operate a xenophobic team selection policy.

I wonder why that is.

I suppose a less educated person might think its becasue you have no meaningful evidence.

[JCSkinner]

Originally Posted by meriwether2

You seem to be absolutely intent on diverting from the issue at hand - you providing evidence (sorry, meaningful evidence) that the Latvia team operate a xenophobic team selection policy.
I wonder why that is.
I suppose a less educated person might think its becasue you have no meaningful evidence.

Would you rather I took a case to the Equality Authority? That might be quite a diverting experience, alright.
The issue at hand, incidentally, is the disproportionate and collective punishment of an entire team, who you appalling characterise as 'creamers', following a demand for that punishment from another team on foot of unproven accusations of racism and violent conduct, none of which was witnessed by the referee.
That's the issue in hand, which you are seeking to divert from.

[meriwether2]

Originally Posted by JCSkinner

Would you rather I took a case to the Equality Authority? That might be quite a diverting experience, alright.
The issue at hand, incidentally, is the disproportionate and collective punishment of an entire team, who you appalling characterise as 'creamers', following a demand for that punishment from another team on foot of unproven accusations of racism and violent conduct, none of which was witnessed by the referee.
That's the issue in hand, which you are seeking to divert from.

Thats absolutely incorrect JC.

I at no stage attempted to divert away from the main issue - the disciplinary issue - for a particular agenda, be it pro latvian, or anti lavtian team. I dont have a dog in this fight.

What Im seeking guidance on from you is your assertion that the Latvian team operate a xenophobic team selection policy.

You introduced this element into the equation. I presume you have proof for this accusation.

Why won't you share it with us?

[JCSkinner]

Originally Posted by meriwether2

Thats absolutely incorrect JC.

I at no stage attempted to divert away from the main issue - the disciplinary issue - for a particular agenda, be it pro latvian, or anti lavtian team. I dont have a dog in this fight.

What Im seeking guidance on from you is your assertion that the Latvian team operate a xenophobic team selection policy.

You introduced this element into the equation. I presume you have proof for this accusation.

Why won't you share it with us?

I already did. See above.

[meriwether2]

Originally Posted by JCSkinner

I already did. See above.

So, am I correct in saying that your phone call is your evidence that they operate a xenophobic team selection?