Team Expelled from Leinster Football League over Assault and "Xenophobic Insults"

[the impossibilist]

Originally Posted by JCSkinner

Tell that to the Equality Authority, who have squandered a fortune in state money suing them. Tell it to the court which has reserved judgement on the matter.
I've no problem with either Portmarnock or D-Pils choosing who they want and don't want in their clubs.
What I do have a problem with is when people who operate their own discriminatory practices then start demanding that others be thrown out of a league they have been instrumental in for years on the same basis.
It's called hypocrisy.
In addition to being blackmail and disproportionate, of course.
It's also fascinating to see so many people here are prepared to stand up for the unproven allegations of racism levelled by the Latvians without having a bother at all when someone comes on here and describes the players from Ballyfermot as 'creamers'.

I absolutely agree with you about the EA and Portmarnock. Both in terms of the money spent, and the PC bullschittness of the cause.

I don't agree that a team deciding it's own membership criteria is in the same category as institutionalised discrimination by the league itself - different responsibilities apply.

I am as irritated by the hypocrisy as anyone. It is, if true, mischievous of the Latvians to play the racism card. Always remembering that racism and xenophobia are not the same thing, of course. I would prefer them to keep their powder dry for their next encounter. But I'm a Gaa man.

The longstanding membership of the league confers no concession rights on the Ballyer, and is a red herring. I don't know why you're bringing such an emotional plea into the argument.


I don't know any of the lads playing for the Ballyer. I would never use the term creamer. I doubt if many of them are from Labre Park anyway. Even fewer of them work for the Equality Authority of course.

But I live in the Ballyer, and I can easily recognise how some of it's inhabitants have, and continue to attract that epithet. It's the nature of things that everything associated with the place then gets the tag.

[Lthse]

Originally Posted by the impossibilist

I absolutely agree with you about the EA and Portmarnock. Both in terms of the money spent, and the PC bullschittness of the cause.

I don't agree that a team deciding it's own membership criteria is in the same category as institutionalised discrimination by the league itself - different responsibilities apply.

I am as irritated by the hypocrisy as anyone. It is, if true, mischievous of the Latvians to play the racism card. Always remembering that racism and xenophobia are not the same thing, of course. I would prefer them to keep their powder dry for their next encounter. But I'm a Gaa man.

The longstanding membership of the league confers no concession rights on the Ballyer, and is a red herring. I don't know why you're bringing such an emotional plea into the argument.


I don't know any of the lads playing for the Ballyer. I would never use the term creamer. I doubt if many of them are from Labre Park anyway. Even fewer of them work for the Equality Authority of course.

But I live in the Ballyer, and I can easily recognise how some of it's inhabitants have, and continue to attract that epithet. It's the nature of things that everything associated with the place then gets the tag.

It would be interesting if anyone from the club came on and told us how many non-nationals played for them.

What's the chances of it being zero?

[meriwether2]

[quote]Certainly the concerns in relation to some posters like Meri seem to apply only to non-Irish. He's happy to denigrate Irish people from Ballyfermot

Im also happy to denigrate people from Foxrock if I feel they deserve it.
Also, at no stage did I tar the people of Ballyfermot en masse with the brush.

You know this, but fixating on this point is giving you an out from the original question I posed:

but rushes to the defence of Latvians when they make unproven allegations of racism.

I dont recall doing that. I think you're making things up in an attempt to deflect from the point of my presence here: What evidence do you have to back your assertion (made prior to the 'phonecall') that they operate a xenophobic team selection.

Maybe it's some sort of self-loathing, I don't know

Maybe. Anyway, let me wallow in my self hatred, and lets get back to the original point:

What evidence do you have that this Latvian team operate a selection policy based on Xenophobia?

[meriwether2]

Originally Posted by Horace Horse

meriwather

"That does not indicate a xenophobic selection policy. If a bunch of Latvians set up a team, its going to be a latvian XI. Thats the nature of the beast."

If a bunch of whites set up a team, it's going to be a white XI. C'est la vie.

This is the kind of racist garbage clowns like meriwather come up with.

Yes, if 11 whites set up a football team, it will be 100% white.

That is unless they allow black members to join.

If they refuse to allow black members to join, then they are racist.

If no black members want to join, and the team stays 100% white, are they still racist?

At no stage has JC proven that Irish people are not allowed to join this football team (bar the 'phonecall').

At no stage has he demonstrated that Irish people wanted to join, and were refused.

Remember, he made this assertion prior to his 'phonecall'.
So he must have had some evidence prior to the 'call'.

Id like him to share it with us. And then we can all move on.

[meriwether2]

What I do have a problem with is when people who operate their own discriminatory practices then start demanding that others be thrown out of a league they have been instrumental in for years on the same basis.

Again, you have no evidence they are doing this.

At work, a bunch of Indians and Pakistani's have set up a Cricket team. No Iish people play on it., In fact, no whites play on it.

However I do know that the membership is open to anyone who wants to turn up. Just no white people want to play.

I know this. Therefore I know they are not xenophobic.

What we do know is that a bunch of Latvians have set up a 11-a side.

We do not know if any Irish people have approached them to join.
Therefore we do not know if they were turned down for xenophobic reasons.

We also know you have no evidence that Irish people were refused entry, bar a daft story about you being refused membership on some ridiculous phone call.

We also know you made this allegation prior to the phonecall.

So we know you have someother evidence apart from stats that mean nothing ithout context (the fact that only Latvians play).

But we also know youre awfully reticent in coughing up this evidence.

I'll take a punt in the dark here JC: you have none.

[JCSkinner]

You're failure to accept the evidence is neither here nor there.
I've answered you repeatedly on this question, even as you've repeatedly failed to retract your depiction of the Ballyfermot team as 'creamers'.
I won't repeat myself anymore. Read the thread.

[the impossibilist]

Originally Posted by Lthse

It would be interesting if anyone from the club came on and told us how many non-nationals played for them.

What's the chances of it being zero?

I don't know the answer to that. I don't think it's very important though, one way or another.

If it comes to that, what are the chances that a non-national would be uniformly welcomed ? Not great either, I'd say. Who needs that ?

How does a football club get formed ? A bunch of lads meet for a regular kickaround in the Phoenix Park, Finsbury Park, Wanstead Flats... wherever. On it goes from there.

In my experience of all the above, the casual games seem to fall along national lines - very rough generalisation of course.

So the Turks (newish in Finsbury Park area at the time) tended to have their own thing going. It was all Irish lads in the regular game when I was kicking around Wanstead in the summer of '87. We all knew each other from the sites.

In the Phoenix Park, you often see the same thing.

No mystery about it. Non-issue really.

[meriwether2]

Originally Posted by JCSkinner

You're failure to accept the evidence is neither here nor there.
I've answered you repeatedly on this question, even as you've repeatedly failed to retract your depiction of the Ballyfermot team as 'creamers'.
I won't repeat myself anymore. Read the thread.

You're a liar and a blusterer, JC.

You have no evidence that they are xenophobic whatsoever.

[JCSkinner]

Originally Posted by meriwether2

You're a liar and a blusterer, JC.

You have no evidence that they are xenophobic whatsoever.

I've already provided it.
Still not man enough to retract your characterisation of Ballyfermot footballers as 'creamers', then?

[meriwether2]

Originally Posted by JCSkinner

I've already provided it.
Still not man enough to retract your characterisation of Ballyfermot footballers as 'creamers', then?

You haven't proven a single thing.

Just because no non-Latvians play on the team does not mean non-Latvians were specifically excluded.

Please prove otherwise.

Your 'phonecall' is the most ridiculous argument I have ever seen put forward on these biards. That's really all you have.

Please also supply the information which lead you to conclude they were xenophobic pre the 'phonecall'.

If you can find the individual from Ballyfermot I defamed, I will be happy to apologise to him.