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Originally Posted by Tony_1975  The following are some ofmy reasons for voting NO
1)The EU is undemoctaric. The French, Dutch, Danish and Irish (twice) peoples have had NO votes circumvented or ignored. That has never happened for a YES vote. The Brits, also, have been robbed of a promised referendum on the Constitution/lisbon. 'Democracy' in the EU is heavily weighted towards one side. |
The French and Dutch voted on the EU Constitution, Lisbon was ratified by them according to their own internal and legal rules. Ireland said No to Lisbon due to the lies of SF and the unelected, unaccountable, secretly funded Libertas.
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Originally Posted by Tony_1975 2) I do not want a federal Europe. Our soverignty is being eronded, treaty by treatry. There is no future for a small island, floating off the west coast of Europe, in allowing mainland Europe to make importand decisions for us. We are less than 1% of the population of the EU (even less as it expands). Our voice will mean nothing. |
The Constitution may have advanced a federal Europe, however Lisbon does not. There is no future for a small island, dependent on exports, being outside the EU.
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Originally Posted by Tony_1975 3) EU leaders are short sighted and presumptuos. They allowed the EU to expand before having the structures in place to deal with that expansion, assuming we would do as we are told. Business leaders who behaved like this would be fired for imcompenence. In short, I don't trust them and I think they are incompetant. |
EU leaders are all elected by their respective voters, they all have to face a general election every 4 or 5 years.
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Originally Posted by Tony_1975 4) We are the only country allowed to have a referendum on the treaty, and ours also would have been bypassed, if possible. This is on purpose, as many countries would have failed to carry a referendum. The EU is belong to the people, not the politicions. They need to learn that. |
Nothing to do with being 'allowed'; all Countries ratify according to their own legal rules. Are you seriously suggesting we meddle in other Country's raficifation methods? The EU does indeed belong to the people, who directly elect their politicans to represent them.
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Originally Posted by Tony_1975 5) Our government are telling us that the treaty is the best thing for Ireland, but giving no good reasons as to why. What do they know about what's best for us? They have flushed this country down the jacks. |
As does every major political pary, as do all business groups, as do the farming groups, as do most unions. Lisbon has nothing to do with the way
FF successfully, or otherwise, ran the economy. Your 'logic' is to destroy the Country just because you disagree with one political party's economic policy!?!
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Originally Posted by Tony_1975 6) The EU destroyed our sugar industry, just because they could, in the stroke of a pen. It served no good purpose to do so.
7) The EU banned duty free, just because they could, in the stroke of a pen. It served no good purpose to do so. |
Instead we have free movement of people, goods and capital in a market of 500 million people, essential for country, lke Ireland, dependent on exports.
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Originally Posted by Tony_1975 8) The EU now bans us from subsidising our troubled airlines, if we need to. We are an island nation ffs. |
Wrong
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Originally Posted by Tony_1975 9) Our commisioner is specifically banned from representing his countrys interests. What the fukk is that about? |
Quite correctly they are, thats how the EU works, or have you missed the last 36 years?
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Originally Posted by Tony_1975 10) We are now sending social welfare to people in other EU countries, even if they have never set foot in this country. |
And any Irish person is entitled to exactly the same in any of the other 26 EU Countries, plus you forget that the Irish have been leaving these shores for over 150 years. The benefits of being in an open market of 500 million people far, far outweigh any downside. The real answer is actually nothing to do with the EU, its to cut our far too high welfare rates.