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Originally Posted by eurosceptic Such a special arrangement could only happen with our consent. The yes side painted it as happening without our consent. |
Just an observation but every time I talk about what I saw as incredible propaganda from opponents of the Lisbon Treaty, it is always pointed out to me that Libertas didn't represent the entire opposition, that Sinn Fein didn't represent the entire opposition, that COIR didn't represent the entire opposition and so on. Yet, I always point out that I didn't say that they did, I'm not referring to opposition as a Hive mind or single-entity incapable of independent thought - but the same courtesy is rarely reserved for supporters of the Lisbon Treaty. "Yesmen" and other stupid titles are meant to lump people together, and the title itself is meant to be derogative (tailored by Irish history too), to identify a certain group of people that its OK to label.
As for your point, my impression always was that the Irish Government and I assume most of the Irish people would not object to the other EU states moving ahead if it could be made legally possible. I know the usual argument is that "no other state put it to a public vote", but the same applies that it's not OK for Ireland's voters to make a decision for 26 other states that have already done so (or intend to), legally and within the power of their elected governments. Remember we voted on altering our constitution, not on whether Lisbon Treaty should go ahead across the whole of Europe (technically we didn't even vote whether it should go ahead in Ireland, but blocking the constitutional amendments makes it impossible).