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Originally Posted by Verhofstadt  I think you are being rather disingenuous by trying to correlate FF or FG grouping in the EP with Libertas's engagement with certain political groupings in Poland. |
Oh c'mon, it's about as close a link they have to the League of Polish Families as Libertas does. By the weird logic going on in this thread and Derek Scally's story my mammy has links to the Polish Families party too because she knows me and I support Libertas!
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For better or worse grouping in the parliament are marriages of convienence which little or no actual co-operation and used only to get a couple committee positions. It stinks and I don't approve of it but it is way politics goes.
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Ah sure it sucks, we know this. As an MEP said to Ganley (who likes to repeat it) "it's an agreement to share a photocopier and a coffee machine, and they don't even do that very well".
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Libertas have involved members of far right parties in Poland in the establishment of their operation there. This is a far deeper involvement and Libertas should be big enough to say "mea culpa".
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It's not really, in fact it's not at all. There's no link between Libertas and that party. The guy who runs the office in Poland used to be a member of that party but isn't a memeber anymore, that's really it. I'm not saying that Labour are the Green Party just because Nessa Childers used to be a Green.
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To claim otherwise is to engage in semantics that only weakens the arguments of Libertas further.
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What argument? That Libertas has no link with the League of Polish Families? It's not an argument, it's fact. They don't. They have no more a link with the Polish Families as my ar*e has with my elbow.
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Funnily enough Libertas original press release (EDIT: spokesperson in Poland according to the IT) appears to accept the error and seek to move on but posters here seem hellbent on defending and justifying the error anyways.
Perhaps I'm missing the point of a discussion board, is that we argue for the sake of argument or are people actually believing what they post? (forgive my naivety)
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A bit from column A and a bit from column B i think.