Originally Posted by anewbeginning

If it wasn't for Libertas and similar groups Lisbon would have been voted through and Ireland would have gotten a very bad deal losing our permanent commishioner as well as other issues of soverignty which our great mainsteam parties were only too willing to sign away at the prospect of getting their snouts in the EU trough.

Do we not all owe Libertas then a debt of gratitude for saving our permanet commishioner?

Sometimes you get tired of the way our traditional political parties give in to the dictates of the EU without putting up any fight.