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Old 7th March 2009
dublinclontarf dublinclontarf is offline
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Originally Posted by Red Boyneside View Post
Are we going around in circles here? Socialism is the opposite of statism. The problem is most people including most of the people on this thread don't know what Socialism is.
Try to keep up...
Socialism is de facto statism, it is impossible for socialism to exist without the use of force by the state. Why should anyone work except under duration if the wealth the create is simply taken from them and given to another.

I read your "collection" of thoughts and it's short on details. You say when workers take power there will be a workers democracy instead of a capitalist democracy.

What is a "workers democracy" and how does it differ from a "capitalist democracy"? Is democracy not majority rules? Is that not what we currently live under?

You say capital is accumulated theft from workers over generations of capitalism but what of the savings of a worker who then starts a business? Did he rob the capital from himself over generations?

And your argument for why people would choose socialism is that human nature would change. And one of the conditions for socialism to exist is that it must be worldwide i.e. everywhere must become socialist for it to exist.

So essentially, for socialism to exist "real" socialism, not what has happened in ever other attempt(what you might call "practical" socialism), reality has to be suspended.

Essentially your rebuttal is to point to your article full of generalities, miss-truths, misunderstandings, blatant contradictions, falsities and so on.

For those who haven't read it here, Socialism or Barbarism In the grip of hysteria
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